PUAs usually go to venues that hold loud and booming parties because that's where all the HBs frolic and shit. However, I'm not one of those PUAs. I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like loud, humid, dark, and crowded venues; in fact, I feel nervous and intimidated by them, just like how deer get startled by loud noises. it's ironic to note that these such places are the ones where 99.99% of all pickup takes place, especially in nightclubs - but again, I'm not that kind of a person who enjoys such things. Maybe I grew up too fast, or that I just have a different taste than everyone else. So is it a bad thing that I'm not the party-type? The type that's most fun, outgoing, and sociable?

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"I've learned it's important not to limit yourself. You can do whatever you really love to do, no matter what it is." - Ryan Gosling

Girls do exist outside of clubs, you know, mate. Find a place where you feel comfortable, like a coffee shop or a supermarket, and work your magic there. I've had more success at the local doughnut shop than I've ever had at any club.

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MrGiggles

99.99% of all pick ups take place in clubs cause it's the easiest venue. Most girls are single and easy to pick up. That being said, I also share your distaste in clubs, and I literally can't remember the last time I went to one, and I sure as hell don't miss them.

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topflair | lifestyle magazine

It most certainly does not. And the ease of a venue depends on a number of things.

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MrGiggles

I was just quoting the number OP gave us. Obviously the actual number is smaller but night clubs still are the number one destination for singles. And that's what makes it so easy. If you believe that girls go to night clubs for any other reason than to get picked up, I have some bad news for ya:).

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topflair | lifestyle magazine

You clearly don't have very much experience with girls, mate. Girls go to clubs, typically in groups of three or four, to drink, dance, and get hit on by the creepy guys. Some girls may go to the club to get picked up, but to say that all girls go to nightclubs for no other reason than to get picked up is just... incorrect.

I mean, if you want to tell yourself that in order feel optimistic and boost your confidence, then be my guest. But if you believe that girls go to nightclubs for no other reason than to get picked up, then I must inform you that you're out of touch with reality.

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MrGiggles

You clearly misunderstood my post. All I'm saying is that girls in night clubs have this desire or option to get picked up. It's always there, and any club goer knows that if a guy approaches a girl, he's not there to ask what time it is. Have you never seen a look on her face saying 'ok, let's hear what this guy will say'? You may ignore it but it's always there. No one's going to night clubs to make friends. In contrast, if you approach girls on the street, they do not have this preconceived notion that you are hitting on them, which makes it a wee bit harder.

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topflair | lifestyle magazine

Push yourself outside your comfort zone and start going to clubs, they're very target rich environments, it's no big deal; within a month you will have acclimatised yourself to them. The first time you leave one with an HB10-9 on your arm have a little smile to yourself.

I misunderstood your post? That's funny. See, I thought that when you said,
you meant that, "99.99 percent of all pickups take place in clubs." And I guess I jumped to conclusions when I read,
assuming you meant, "If you believe that girls go to nightclubs for any other reason than to get picked up, I have some bad news for you." That's why I had to call bullshit. I was reading your posts and taking them at face value. I didn't know that you expected me to derive something else from them completely different from what you actually wrote. Silly me.

Let me teach you some things about girls, mate.

Not all girls have the desire to get picked up, and that includes the ones at the club. If three happily married soccer moms go out to a club, do you think they're looking to get picked up? What about the girl who's just gotten home from college, whose friends are taking her out for a few drinks? Do you think she's looking to be taken away by some horny club rat? Of course not. True, some girls are at the club to get picked up, but to say that all or even most of them are there for that reason and that reason alone shows a real lack of experience.

As for that look on a girl's face you referred to, yes. Yes, I see that look quite frequently. Girls have given me that look at the club, and girls have given me that look while working a cash register. Girls have given me that look at the mall, and girls have given me that look on the train. Girls give me that look every day. I don't need a club setting to bring that look out of them. No guy worth his salt relies on a specific setting to bring that look out of a girl. He should be able to do it anywhere and at any time. Which brings me to my next lesson...

Girls assume that you're hitting on them, regardless of where the encounter takes place. You say that no one goes to nightclubs to make friends, and for the most part that's true. No one goes to the drug store or supermarket to make friends either, though, and those places are gold mines. See, when a girl is approached by an unknown guy, she typically assumes that the guy is trying to hit on her, if not right away then early in the encounter. What else is she going to assume? That he wants to be her plutonic friend? That he's just making small conversation for his own health? Come on, mate. You've got to give them more credit than that. Girls aren't as stupid as a lot of guys like to believe. What a lot of guys like to assume is due to stealthiness on their part is actually due to tolerance on the girls' part. The girl knows what you're after, assuming she has a functioning brain, and it's your job to convince her into giving it to you.

I mean, if you're comfortable in a club setting, then by all means go work your magic at the club. The slut concentration there is higher there than it is at most other places, and you do have a pretty good shot at success if you know what you're doing. But if that's not your scene, then there's no need to bother with it. Clubs are dark, loud, expensive, and smelly. Most of the girls there do NOT go there with the intention of being picked up, contrary to what some believe, and you'll even find that some girls are highly annoyed by guys constantly coming up to them. Any girl who's been to the club before knows that the only reason the straight guys are there is to attempt to pick her up, and if she's not looking to get picked up, which is more likely than not, then she's gonna have her AA guns out, ready to shoot down any creep trying to approach her hypothetical landing strip.

A girl at the bookstore on the other hand, isn't expecting anything. She'll know you're interested in her early on in the encounter, but she does not know that your only intention of going to the bookstore was to pick her up, which can't be said of the girls at the club. She's not going to have her defenses up from the get go, like a lot of girls at the club, and she's more likely to give you a chance if you do a good job opening. I doubt too many people on here have read Fifty Shades of Grey, but in that book one of the first encounters between the protagonist and her dominant lover, Christian Grey, takes place in a hardware store. There's a reason for that.

In addition to all of that, you spend more time out and about than you ever could at the club, and the more you work on the everyday girls, the more natural your technique will become.

To sum everything up...

99.99 percent of pickup does not take place at the club, and girls do in fact go there for reasons other than getting picked up by some horny dude. Could you pick up a girl at the club? Yes, you can. But you pick up a girl wherever you can find one if you know what you're doing. Unless you enjoy the club and know how to work it, then in a lot of ways going to the club is like shooting yourself in the foot.

The real potential is right under your nose. Anywhere and everywhere. Never forget that.

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MrGiggles

Have you guys ever watched "Crazy, Stupid, Love"? There's this character whom Ryan Gosling plays, and it is his character that I would like to model after: calm, witty, charismatic, and all other valuable traits. It is also worth it to note that, for the most part, he also Games in the same venue.

Take Gosling's character out into the club and maybe all of his character traits are totally neutralized by the loud, dark, crowded, and humid SPAM of the club or party.

Although I am not 21, the venues that I've always wanted to sarge are lounges and bars, but as long as my age is below that limit, day-game is all I've got, which isn't a problem

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"I've learned it's important not to limit yourself. You can do whatever you really love to do, no matter what it is." - Ryan Gosling

Feeling intimidated is usually something that you can easily change by frequent exposure. So if you go to clubs more regularly, you'll find out that they are not so intimidating. On the other hand, there are 3.5 billion women in the world, and most of them are not in clubs. That being said, the question should not be whether being the type of person who doesn't like clubbing is a bad thing, it should be whether you like yourself this way.
Off-topic, but girls tolerate you until you can convince them to give 'it' up? I find that a strange mindset to teach.

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One of the most useful things you will ever learn about body language.

Girls can tell you're interested in them as soon as you start talking to them. Unless it's some kind of work scenario or some special situation, guys don't generally approach girls they've never met and have no apparent reason to talk to… unless they're interested in something she has. Girls know this, and they encounter it a lot more than you might think. A decent-looking checkout girl at a grocery store, for example, is constantly hit on throughout her entire shift. She knows right off the bat when she's being hit on, and based on the conclusions she draws from a guy, she may or may not allow him to continue. Most of the guys the typical checkout girl sees throughout the day are not who she'd want to associate with, and with those guys she will either ignore their advances or politely cut them off. In any case, those guys will not be getting her number or anything else from her for that matter. A select few guys, though, intrigue her. Even though she knows she's being hit on, the checkout girl sees something in these select few guys that she likes. She may flirt back with these guys. She may display interest in them, consciously or subconsciously. She may even give them her number if they ask. Or if they don't ask. That's happened too.

The bottom line is that girls are aware they're being hit on from the very moment you start "spittin' game." If you do a shitty job presenting yourself, she's gonna ignore you, cut you off, or give you a fake phone number. If you do an awesome job presenting yourself, and she's attracted, then what you have is mutual interest, mutual flirting, and a possible exchange of phone numbers in the near future, amoung other things.

What I was originally getting at with this was that the girls at the bookstore or supermarket are just as aware of you hitting on them as the girls at the club. You've got to convince them that you're worth their time and attention. The "it" I referred to doesn't necissarly mean sex. It could be sex, but it could also be the girl's time, the girl's attention, the girl's phone number, etc.

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MrGiggles

I meant it is a strange mindset because you clearly do not have an 'abundance attitude'. There are 3.5 billion women in the world, even if 99.999% doesn't want to fuck you because, well, they haven't met you, that still means there are 35,000 women who do. Sounds like a lot right? Think about it this way: you could be porking a different girl every day for nearly a 100 years. There is an abundance of girls, there really is no need to vie for the attention of some mediocre checkout girl like she's the virgin Mary or something.

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One of the most useful things you will ever learn about body language.

- No, it’s not a bad thing. That is who you are, and you’re happy with that. Right? The important is, being proud of it; you are comfortable with that kind of thing. There is nothing to lose. You can still meet new friends.

- No, it’s not a bad thing. That is who you are, and you’re happy with that. Right? The important is, being proud of it; you are comfortable with that kind of thing. There is nothing to lose. You can still meet new friends.