^This is an eloquent reply for a different situation than that of the initial post.

Zac L is a crazy Chinese kid?

This is my official answer :

After thinking about the different outcomes you come to realize that either way your fucked. Instead I would fuck the monkey over by bending it over and legit fucking it. Then I would do the only thing fair, an eye for an eye, I would kill the monkey to feel some sort of revenge/validation. Human compassion only extends so far.

The moral of the story in my eyes? Prepare life for the un-expected. Life will constantly provide you with different paths to walk down, regardless of how foul and vile that path may be, we still have to make a choice. Its about living up to your decisions and making sure that you walk the "best" path when life sends it your way.

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Or just feed him a banana, and tell him to fuck off.

I'd trap the monkey, duct tape his mouth so he can't talk anymore, then have my wingman kill him for me. No negative repercussions!

Of course this is not suppose to be a serious answer.

There's this zen Buddhist monk who lives about 40 minutes away from me. He's over 70 now. There are plenty of young guys around to do all the daily tasks of the temple so these days, he likes to play golf and hang out at his temple and chit chat with people once in a while.

There's this cute kid whose parents bring to the temple every Sunday morning. He basically scouts around the place and makes a game out of everything he sees. The monk enjoyed a long running quiz with this little boy. Every time the monk saw the kid, he would ask, "Hey, where did you come from?" The boy's answers began with:

Kid: From over there . . . (Pointing to where he was a few minutes ago)

Then the monk would continue . . .

Monk: Where were you before that?
Kid: At home.

Monk:Where did you come from before that?
Kid: (Twist of the head) I don't know. (Hands up in the air)

The monk persisted and after a few weeks of "I don't know", the boy offered a different answer:

Kid: From my mommy's belly.
Monk: Where were you before you were in your mommy's belly?
Kid: ???

So then this persisted for a few more weeks. It frustrated the boy enough to avoid this crazy monk but the old guy chased him around and made sure to ask the question until finally:

Monk: Where were you before you were in your mommy's belly?
Kid: (Red faced with his fist in the air) NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The end.

Kasabi, I interpret this as followed:

People are afraid of the questions they can't answer and will do anything they can to avoid them. The kid avoids it by avoiding the source of the question and acting like any young kid would do and throw a temper tantrum. The question never disapears, it just remains unanswered. We must think of what questions we are asked and look at the greater picture, or think of the person we are asking the question to. The unknown is a scary place for humans to dwell in.

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I understand the thread now...or do I? You are all right and wrong btw!

I realised.

Shoot the monkey.

The monkey is telling the truth, but he has not specefied when the father or mother will die, nor whether if the other parent will live as a result of anothers death.

Ultimatly the Monkey is telling the boy the facts of life.. "You're parents will die"

If the boy shoots the monkey nothing changes, situation stays the same and he gets the monkey, boy doesn't shoot, situation stays the same and he doesn't get the monkey.

It's analogous to AA; people fear rejection, but it is someting which will happen inevitably, and choosing not to act in the attempt to slow the inevitable is futile and gets them no-where.

You could frame it like this for PU:

A young man approaches a Pick Up Guru before a night out, and he says WAIT if you approach, girls will blow you out of set and make you feel like a loser, but if you don't approach you will feel like a loser.

The monkey just sits there and waits while the boy makes up his mind, that is a gambler if I ever saw one!


Seriously, it doesnt matter if he shoots the monkey or not, the monkey did not give him any information he didnt already know, he just pointed one thing out. The boy can simply say, yes that is true and make up his mind anyway.

On a related matter, if I find a talking monkey I can have more fun with it if it is still alive than if I shoot it. Imagine having him as a wingman.

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Too many assumptions. Too much interpretation. Too much ego.

The story of the monk and the boy is a tale of a process towards realization. The story ended because the boy finally exclaimed the correct answer, even though perhaps at the time, he didn't even know it. That's the point. This is not about knowing one thing or another.

"Where were you before you were in your mother's belly"? - We ASSUME that every question has an answer. We ASSUME that before EVERYTHING, there is SOMETHING. We assume, we assume, we assume. What's the fucking question? Where were you before you were in your mother's belly? Not just "no where". Not just "not any time". Not just "Somewhere else". Not just "non existent" or "another existence". It's just a plain "Wake the fuck up bald man! No!!!!!!"

If you can fully understand the boy's journey to his realization, you'll realize your relationship with the monkey instead of going around in circles repeating, "kill the monkey", "don't kill the monkey", "smile", "be happy", "I would just feel. . . ", "I think this, I think that, I would do this, I would do that." . . . Not too different from the mantras of this forum, "I am a PUA. I am high value. I know game. I would to this, I would do that, I think this, I think that, I, I, I, I motherfucking I. . . ."

Kasabi, based on your post, with the boy and the monk and the boy and the monkey, The boy whose hunting the monkey should drop his bow, raise his hands and yell "NOOOOOO" at the top of his lungs? If thats the case this is a really shitty moral to come to. Blindly ignoring consequences/questions/information? wake up, ignorance IS a bliss, but we can't live our lives in ignorance.

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The poor boy thought too much. He didn't wanna find the answer. He was scared.

We try to find the answers to our own life problems, and then, we hit the wall. We don't WANT to answer the question.

Why?

We may have to confront the legitimate possibility that, yes...we do suck...in certain areas of life.

We want to think we know it all.
It's when we realize we truly know nothing...that we are free, like the old monk.

I think that monk saved that kid's life down the road. xD.




EDIT (after 17 seconds): I GOT IT!

The kid got mad because he was confronted with truth...that he knew nothing. There was no point in knowing further. He had reached his limit. The kid was no different than the monk.

Shit...I'm about to go to Tibet and become a monk! =p.

this is an assumption
this is highly egotistical.

After researching koans it appears that the purpose is not to find the answer; but rather to grasp a certain state of mind. This being said I think it would be extremely difficult to express success of a koan on an online forum.

In conclusion. I am going to meditate.

I asked you to understand the boy's journey, not copy his answer . . . And his "No!" is not "ignorance" but the plain truth. What was the boy before the womb? No-thing. No-being. No-existence. No ____. No _____. No ______. . . Just No.

How did he get there?