Hi Guys,

I recently obtained this and will review as best as possible I haven't fully explored the whole product yet.

Ok.The product consists of 5 PDFs - Pre Game, System Manual,Headline Mastery, IM Secrets and Bonus Tips.

I have speed read The first 2 so here's the lowdown. The product's aim is to make you a better user of online dating resources.

Pre Game PDF. 45 pages. Essentially this guides you through the process of looking at yourself writing down your good qualities. A bit like CV/resume creation. Throughtout this examples of good and bad phrases are given. Helpfully there are explanations as to why they are good or bad. Very useful document and an essential read

System Manual 128 pages.The largest of the 5 PDFs. This goes into depth giving advice on profile photos, usernames and profile descriptions.There are strong emphasis on rich descriptive text and use of contrast. Unlike IID (Insider Internet Dating) it encourages a more personal, individual approach and requires you to read girl's profiles and texts and determine the hidden meaning behind the words they use.There is a small section on determining a girls sensory type (Visual , Audio and Kino) so you can mirror your responses. The manual takes you through answering mails and gives the usual advice about being the prize, being a leader, being funny etc in the process.Again like the Pre Game PDF examples are given and it is equally essential.

So far I would recommend this product and is a healthy competitor and complement to IID. Between the 2 products you would be able to create an awesome online sarging experience. IID gives you a structure and Net2Bed gives you the style.

confused to what IDD refers to ?
thanks

IID is Insider Internet Dating which I've been using it's ideas and methods almost religiously. I've been using the ideas for a few months and it has improved my online game.

The biggest strength of IID is that it focuses you to have a structure and to set time limits/contact limits so you do not get sucked into the email tennis where mails go back and forth and you do not make any progress in moving it to the real world.

I think I'll post a review of it, if I have time.

Frankly I'm thinking that the whole Online thing is a giant crap shoot. Heres why:

Out for 2 times in the last two months in real life: Had one girl (who was engaged!) take me out, make out in the bar enough to get me hard. Pretty sure I could have went to her place one night to close over the Yankees / Twins series but I messed up the date for my scheduling. Other girl I picked up on Halloween: made out with her took her home and had her in my bedroom until I called her the wrong name - whoops! She stormed off I passed out, whatev. That was results from the last two times out in REAL LIFE.

Online: Taken from my Excel spreadsheet, yes you read that right.
61 females contacted for e-mail 1. 10 # closes. 2 dates. Countless untracked phone calls and texts and Zero action. I have improved my game now so I get email reply 90% of the time and a number close 2 emails after.

Moral of the rant: Maybe this online crap works for some of you guys and you enjoy it, great. For the rest of you readers, quit wasting your time - get out in the real world, make a good impression in the flesh and have that be the way she remembers meeting you. I have gotten far less flakes that way and way more action...20 minutes of real life talk = 2 makeouts plus possible closes OR hours of Online for nothing.

Iceman a very good point about real life. And yes people do have work with what's best for them. IID actually encourages a brutal/efficient behaviour towards getting the girls offline asap.

However it's interesting you don't quote any stats about approaches.

I hit submit too early.

Back to the point about stats.

If you're saying you can get 90% positive response from an initial email and phone numbers within 2 mails then great. I'm sure you'll help others with some advice. What improved your online game to get to those sort of figures?

It also implies that in the real world your success rate is higher. Good for you.

It sounds from your mail that you got sucked into a lot of pointless stuff. I think online game has that problem but helps you to start qualifying and rejecting girls. It really highlights the biggest problem in game - timewasters!

To be honest, if your circumstances are not great - shift work and/or live in the middle of nowhere then online game is *a* way to go. If you live in a populated area and work normal hours then real life game is a better option. It's best to do both to cover all/most angles. Some girls will never do online stuff and vice versa.

Online does have it's advantages mainly relating to time. As an example I mailled 60-ish girls within 75 minutes recently. Where on Earth could I realistically approach that number, in that time, in real life? A big party?, a girls school?

There are many pros and cons of course.

The biggest advantage of online over 'real life' is that allows you to have success even if your base skills are not that great. Lack of success is one of the most demoralising things. I can imagine someone approaching 100 women over a week and getting 10 numbers and from that 1 date/day2. Someone must be able to provide some sort of real life example. I seem to recall Mystery saying that a newbie will only get 1 number in 10 approaches and Gambler has said the conversion rate of approaches to day 2s for more experienced people is only 30%. In short having a small victory can boost your confidence. Imagine playing a game where you know it's 3 levels yet you play it 100 times to get to level 2 once. You'd give up.

I think there is also a misconception that if you don't have the base skills then you don't have higher skills. A typical one is that a lot of people have a problem approaching yet can quite easily handle things once past that stage. Game is only linear if you think it is.

View online game as another sort of approach and opening routine so you can go straight to a day2

You bring up some good points - which are true. You get real life flakes, you can e-mail more women online, if you live in the boondocks then online also works.

I should have been a little more clear where my stumbling block is and its after I number close online. May as well be a number close at 2am in the bar. Out of my most recent e-mail group I had two numbers. These flakes are very common when I close from online.

Here is my entire process - taken mostly from Lamont's the online Game, D'angelo material and Savoys Magic Bullets:

[brackets indicate a unique line or words]


****DO NOT use this in the Minneapolis area - we will be sending duplicate e-mails and look like spambots******

****Further: Do not just copy paste this: reword it and then do so. Otherwise you and every other Jack Dick and Harry will be sending the same game and it you will see bad results****

E-mail 1 : Subject: Hey [most defining characteristic, preferably in a funny way]
Example: for a woman who really likes animals "Hey Dr. Doolittle"

Thats funny that you are into / like / do [this activity because so do I].
Example: active chick "Thats cool that you are into rock climbing and pilates - I actually started a bodyflow class which is a mix of yoga and pilates and I love it" Basically find a commonality for the opener and build it - you share common interests and are similar. Helps as always to be playful and cocky but use emoticons if doing so as that will backfire on you like a mistress on Tiger Woods.

Now the hook - here is an old one i retired but you can get the gist of it: "but, I think you might be able to answer this: If a girl has pictures of her and her ex up that may be a little intimate on Facebook, does her boyfriend really have the right to get all whiny and crabby?" DO NOT USE THIS! it was retired because they say you are not over your ex but I did number close a model on this one. Bottom line think of a juicy, drama filled opinion opener. Go watch an episode of gossip girl if you are really that dull. Plus Serena is totally boneable.

>>E-mail #1 Example:
Subj: Hey Lance Armstrong
Thats pretty cool that you do bike racing - I just came back from taking the Iron range course last summer and it was fantastic. but (random question), I think you might be able to answer this: If a girl has pictures of her and her ex up that may be a little intimate on Facebook, does her boyfriend really have the right to get all whiny and crabby?

>>Notice how I parenthesized (random question). You do need a transition or they'll say man thats random - why are you asking this blah blah blah.

At this point like fucking clockwork - they respond back. But more important than the message is a killer profile - namely nice pictures.

E-mail 2: [yeah, I agree with you in a way, just fluff it up for one line. Just move on and transition, doesnt matter!] Hey, I really wanted to talk to you more and ask you something else but I still have a TON of stuff to do before I fly out to [cool, hip city] tomorrow. Don't forget about me!!!

If they reply back to this e-mail you WILL get the number.

E-mail 3:(Wait 1-2 days, you are on a vacation remember) You didn't forget about me did ya? So I went to Dallas to get warmer weather and I get snow! But my friend made it up to me by taking me to a place where Owen Wilson always eats so I forgave her haha! [Then Custom cold read]

I'm not SPAM my custom cold read technique. You really want to know watch the movie 16 blocks and look for Mos Defs lines and thats all I am saying.

OK pirate - it may actually not be 3 e-mails now that I run through it - I wasnt counting vacation as one since I just copy / paste that right in. (all of them actually). Also to note, if their response #1 is highly receptive, skip vacation routine and move to your cold read.

E-mail 4. You have by now successfully cold read their personality, showed you share their interest and DHVd and proved your scarcity by going on a vacation. If you feel confident just say: hey I'm way too busy for e-mails - how about I just send you a text and you give me your number? Or if you still believe you need comfort:
The 3 question number close: [after the cold read reply fluff] tell you what: how about you ask me any three questions which I pinky swear to answer completely honestly and if you like what you hear then I get your number, sound fair??
There you go. If for some reason you still dont get their number, deliver yours and say: I'm really too busy for all this back and forth heres my number 1234568888 for when you change your mind and get bored of these other freaks and geeks. Later.

Additional notes:
place your name as a signature in your first or second e-mail so they are talking to Tom and not BlueBalls-998877.
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So there is my method - which BTW Lamonts Online game doesnt bother what to do on e-mail #2 other than act congruent. Just says to get the # as quick as possible. No help from that e-book what so ever. Because I'm thinking he actually doesnt have a turn key approach. "Gurus" lol.

But even though I can now usually get 2-3 # closes per 5 messages sent - it still doesnt help with the flakers of when it comes time to hang out.

What do you think? Not enough comfort building happens over the phone? Usually I call a few times in between texts because I put a lot of TLC into the 2-4 I'm gaming at once....should I just call once? I don't know. All I know the 4 approaches IRL worked better than the multiple approaches online.

Hey Iceman,

thanks for the detailed reply. It seems as if you've developed a good online game taking bits and pieces from various 'experts' and using what's best for yourself.

For myself I think I need to spend a little more time finding and conveying common ground as I think my mails may be too rigid, too much like a template. If I can spot it , girls will too! I may need to soften my approach too. I think suggesting meeting in a first mail may come across as too needy.

As for getting numbers and girls flaking I don't know. Not helpful I know but I'll explain why. I've realised I've got numbers but I haven't actually arranged any day 2s or dates via phone. I'm beginning to think if it's really necessary to get phone numbers. Why am I even asking for a number if I don't use it? I'll have to experiment with this.

Iceman there is a possibility you may be coming across as too pushy at the phone number stage if you're calling and texting. Use your experience and intuition on this. I think you may be getting a lot of pre-meeting nervousness. For some girls the step from online to offline can be too big and they flake.Are you arranging meets and they are flaking? Or does it get sidetracked into chatting and texting and no meeting arranged?

My method would be to text first and quickly thank them for the number, say who you are and ask when it's best to call to have a quick chat, or say you're going to call her at a certain time.


So there is my method - which BTW Lamonts Online game doesnt bother what to do on e-mail #2 other than act congruent. Just says to get the # as quick as possible. No help from that e-book what so ever. Because I'm thinking he actually doesnt have a turn key approach. "Gurus" lol.
I agree with you on this as it seems too inflexible. My own idea is to use the IID methods as a basis and add in little amounts of tweaks and flexibility. IID is dead against using Instant messengers or chat. It does explain why and it is logical. I have noticed that quite a lot of girls/women online like it. I think there is an underlying fear online - is this guy a fake? is he some sort of psycho? an axe murderer? Ok people have these fears offline but I think it's heightened. Add in my feeling that girls go online because they are bored and pissed off with guys offline. They feel let down a lot. I think they need more comfort and trust building.

I'll also add that I think some girls are online because they are fucked-up in some way. Let's face it if they are better than average or great looking, why haven't they found a man in real life.I'm always wary as I think it shows some sort of major character flaw. I've had my experience of one dimensional, freeloader, work obsessed, prudish,hyper-fussy, dull as hell and controlling types. I kind of agree with David de Angelo where he has said that probably 1 in 10 girls is worthy. I'm also a big fan of Alan Roger Currie and Mode One and he says most women fall into awkward categories - the timewaster, which is those that have no sexual/romantic interest in you but will string you along with vague promises to get you to do what she wants - and - the wholesome pretender , the socially conditioned girl which wants to bang your brains out but of course cannot directly say so and you are meant to jump through her hoops to get her. Both are indirect and vague but only with the latter will you have any sexual/romantic chance. These girls are maybe the I-only-will-have-sex-after-the-3rd-date types. I could go on for ages about Mode One but I think it's an essential read as it helps you to get real and that a lot of girls/women are going to try and waste your time.