Well back to the topic of 60's stuff, I'm alittle confused here with some of the techniques, so if anyone can please clarify, please clarify me this...

a.) this whole "seductive eyes" thing...is this me looking like I'm partially high on MJ or something, like my eyes are open but my eyelids are drooped like I'm drowsy?

b.) The whole point of where I VERBALLY TALK is just when I open? Like when I go over and say, "Hi, I wanted to meet you, I'm John" and then suddenly in 60's theory, it's like she'll want to kill the akwardness and actually talk non-stop instead of just letting the whole conversation drop and ignore me

c.) I don't understand where I'm suddely carresting her hands out of nowhere, like OK she's talking, and I'm listening just w/ absolutely no physical reaction or speech, and then now I'm suddenly suppose to offer her my hand so she'll hold it?

These steps sound like they can happen, but I just don't see how this whole transition goes anywhere close to smooth [like think in the girl's perspective, she talks and talks and the guy is just there like a frozen neutral stone then suddenly he offers you your hand to carress it?]

Any clarification would be great, thx

I'll give it a go to "please clarify" this 60's stuff.
Depending on our individual understanding and studied quantity of his material, it can be somewhat confusing here and there.

When I read to "lower your eyelids", I interpret it as to not widen them as I could inclined to do when being too excited. To lower my eyes purposefully below my normal position would be unnatural and just plain weird, for me.
As I understand it, the whole point of verbal talk is our inability and lack of 'highly seductive vibe escalating mastery'.

Therefore, we will need to keep a 'conversation' going by any means necessary. Let's stick to the verbal level and at a minimum, yet according to "60", via asking screening questions to get her to do most of the talking.

After you have made the opening official via the introduction, you may want to pause for a second or two. By doing so, out of awkwardness, curiosity or interest, she may initiate a conversation herself and thus qualify herself to you. If she does not, than you should follow up with something.

Sure, she may drop the conversation but it is your job to escalate the vibe continuously, hard and fast (which is all non-verbal). For her to ignore you seems like one option only, to get the hell away from you!
I don't believe in things like "out of nowhere". Every reaction has a cause, but it is the underlying motivation that makes it seem like "out of nowhere".

Perhaps she uses some handgestures during her talking, maybe that was a trigger to grab her hand...

You look into each others eyes and feel the urge to touch her, she feels the urge to be touched and intuitively you sense that and do so by grabbing her hand...

Is not the underlying motivation your sexual or "SnR" (Survival and Replication) interest in her? I feel 60 is right to mention that you should feel some kind of "horniness" when going through these steps of game. If all or most is congruent with how and what you feel for her, than that moment for you to grab her hand should come.


Peace

Thanks man I guess it does make some more sense, though if anyone else has input please speak further, b/c:

a.) so your saying just relax your eyes like bedroom eyes for seductive eyes
b.) talk just the minimum so she'll be mainly the one that talks the most "somehow" since in my exp most girls seem to stop talking after i'm done talking (like nothing actually makes them talk alot as i hope)
c.) I should be going by feeling when I decide to make the move and hold her hand

that's basically what I got

if you are after a SNL then you cannot go wrong with 60's stuff. For the guy that mentioned buyers remorse; its up to YOU to stop that happening the whole sexual tension thing is amazing, and it allows you to verbally escalate without needing to physically escalate.

I prefer the Vin Di Carlo escalation model myself, but both of these methods can be incorporated with ANY other methods you already have in your arsenal.

Agreed, The Di Carlo kino escalation ladder is pretty much as accurate as it gets

I read the first 3 books.. I think they were only okay :/

Good stuff! Thanks!

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Shift Happens

I just finished reading 60s books, i was kind of hesitant of getting because in the page to buy the product his main publicity was "all the other methods SUCKS, BUY MINE" and personally i consider it a DLV as itself to promote oneself that way (then again i didnt study economy, so what do i know) but as seing this was recomended in the forum a lot i said what the hell.

Is a very good book. I love his simplicity, dont know about you people but im sick of reading the evolutionary reason behind seduction and AFCs it was nice at first but the at the 9th book you read or watch that has that, i pray to a fast forward or at least a "if you already heard this, skip to page...." but 60 goes straigh to the method wich is something i like.

the scalation method is pretty good, im gonna try it this weekend and the "start of by doing every little thing that comes to your mind" to frame yourself is priceless. I started doing it in my every day and it works.

What i didnt like or better said i didnt understand is the following.

How 60 explains puas like Style, Mystery and David Deangelo?

In his book says the moment you open your mouth to say anything (DHV, Tease or C/F) you are lossing her..... a lot. And that those methods are just mental masturbation. So what are they?

I wouldnt have any problem if his spech meant "ok people here is my method, it works and its nice and if you are not the extrovert kind of guy you gonna love it"
but reading the moment i talk everything goes south is pretty confusing to me.

1)-Read it.

2)-Use it.

3)-Use it correctly.

4)-Write a review.

The fact you're going around using "DLV" out of context of MM is very tragic.

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The Platinum Rule of Pick-Up: "Progress tension instead of lessening it with social behavior."

Actually is not so much out of context if you think of the definition that is a "display of lower value" wich can be use in many contexts but if you want me to express myself in a "proper way" i would say that at first his website didnt encourage me (sorry if its not the correct word english is not my native language) at first to read his book.

That's better.

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The Platinum Rule of Pick-Up: "Progress tension instead of lessening it with social behavior."

hey guys, i read through some of 60's stuff and i noticed that it's geared more towards trying to get a quick lay. i was wondering if you could recommend something for just trying to attract women and have relationships with them.

options:

1) keep building relationship after sex
2) build connection(comfort) get to know her before sex.

or both.

be it relationship or a quick lay you need to know how to build sexual tension.

thank you mr. smiley. i read some more of 60 years of challenge and realized that he does talk about relationships and how you need sexual tension.