Yeah I guess you're right there, I'll just experiment with his shit in my natural game and see what happens.

You're right about DiCarlo's but then again I'm a biology undergraduate so reading about evolutionary psychology behind it all is actually quite interesting to me, I'm quite into knowing why things work. But it's subjective; some people won't care about that and just wanna get down to the nitty gritty techniques and stuff, but like you said his 4EP model literally nails it on the head. But they're both completely different methods tbh, aimed at different people. Some people value simplicity, and some people wanna know why stuff works.

But IMO it's good to get a feel of different styles and synthesise them and mould bits from them into your character and work on your own style. That way you're not blindly following what some schmuck is telling you to do, so it involves a lot of trial and error but in my opinion it's more fun that way plus it helps a great deal more.

Anyway sorry to ask again but can I have some advice on what you think I should do? can-i-get-some-advice-vt76518.html read the second bit, I'm kinda stuck on what to do with this girl, who's been unofficially seeing this guy in my apartment who can be a bit of a prick to me. One guy's already given me some advice but I wanna know what other people think on the matter

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Then I bet you'll just love GWM: www.gunwitch.com

Gunwitch based his method in biopsych.

Yeah some pretty good stuff here actually, I've heard good things about GWM but never really explored into it. The thing is, the problem with GWM and 60's method (for me) is that the guys don't really seem to have a great deal of respect for women. I mean they tell it like it is which is good, but they don't seem to have a great deal of respect and also they promote picking up and ditching women all the time and I can imagine that getting into a habit so people have troubles forming relationships later in life.

E.g. if somebody's constantly viewing women as expendable and always looking for something better, eventually they get stuck into a mindset and will get to a point where they're just going through women and are essentially afraid to commit and ultimately end up alone. That's precisely the opposite goal of the PUA.

But yeah that's just my 2 cents.

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So I'm supposed to pay 250 dollar for these books? As a guy on student loan that's going to be hard.

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Cheers mate

Where does it say that? The number I see is 149

Still a lot of money right?

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Is it worth the 149? I was about to buy it, then I read through this. It sounds promising, but does it really help your game that much? this would be the first thing I've actually bought from the seduction community, and I want it to be the last thing I buy as well. At least for a long while.

149 is less than a week of minimum wage work

I think this is a nice weapon to use with girls but is not a system at all. How do you implement this in the whole process of meeting a girl to be in a relationship, it seems to me that helps only during the attraction phase, that´s it.

And only helps if the girl is somewhat attracted to you already, because otherwise me staring a girl like I am about to kiss her would get a question like 'why do you look at me like that?', after that what do I answer?, or she could simply say 'what do you have to tell ME'?, so you always should have a full arsennal of stories, jokes, etc. to be entertaining and create rapport.

If the girl is not attracted at all, she would feel akward if I look at her in a sexual way, and this tool would be useless.

Is that right? am I missing something?

Yeah, it's completely different to how most methods are taught. A lot of stuff you learn from other methods is just mental masdurbation, which is probably why you think this way. They teach you that you can attract every girl if you have the right lines, if you're entertaining, funny etc. It's all bullshit.

Sure girls are gonna test you if you try to escalate, but they will with any type of game. You don't need to have the best stories or be entertaining... The person that's talking is always the one qualifying.

And the technique would be useless if the girl isn't attracted to you at all? If she's not attracted at all why waste time talking to her? Lol

I think it's a good system. There's no mental masdurbation, it's just simple shit that works, the way it should be

as much as i like 60's method for getting over social anxiety and escalating hard and fast to get results i dont like how he plays the numbers game so much. i certainly think he has amazing points especially with teaching guys how to escalate but i dont really like how he plays the numbers game.

MM and style play the game so they win the best prize and the goal is to turn every situation into one with the most favorable outcome. sixty in a sense doesnt really PLAY the game, he more puts up with it when he says dont take rejection personally.

gamblers method also teaches you to go for the prize girls by raising your value in the club and filtering out the potential rejections before even opening.

i do appreciate 60's material and theres certainly tonnes to be learned but i wouldnt consider it to be mPUA material.


also for beginners i think its pretty dangerous stuff lol. a beginner who is hoping to go out there and get positive reactions might have a tough time dealing with rejections when following sixtys stuff. i know it tells you to not care about negativity but its still a difficult state of mind to get into especially if your new. atleast MM will get you SOME sort of positive interactions and if it doesnt then simply the girls are bitches and your eally cant blame yourself at all. if you screw up using 60 right off the bat then people might tend to blame themselves alittle more.

overall theres very valuable things to be learnt from sixty but sticking to his plans tooth and nail doesnt seem to be the surefire way to go.

lol even mm is a numbers game, sixtys method is more efficient, no one is going to get every girl they game, why waste time with mm?

I just wanted to say I bought 60's audio course and read Gunwitch's methods. Im an introvert, so clowning around isn't really my thing. To my surprise this is my type of game and I'm getting a lot of subtle cues from babes that nobody notices. This leads me to sex them up later and makes everyone wonder how I did it. Thanks man for the post!

The biggest disadvantages i see with 60 is that it looks like a mainly nightgame thing, and the creep and akwardness factor.

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Eventhough I studied 60's stuff quite thoroughly recently, I still have a hard to grasp how to work this game on a 2set or 2+.

I assume, preferably, to make sure your target is the last one to introduce yourself to, but if it is a 2+ set this might not work, as she could be in the middle.

Also, what kind of small talk would any of you guys suggest right after the intro and handshake?

I don't feel much for a follow up like: "So, are you guys from around here?"

Unless that really ain't so gay as it appears.

Thanks guys!