When Reading the venisian arts its like taking a class course. Like Socialogy 454 or something. Seriously. It is ALOT of information. I just finished reading it last night and i couldnt believe all the information it contained. But sure enough as i went into the field solo sarging tonight in Hollywood i saw pound for pound what Mystery was talking about. I saw everything as he described it. I saw how he would have easily taken the women i wanted (because my game, while knowlegable, is not yet strong) and sleep with them that night. Mind you im new to the game, but it really is an eye opener for me. In reading his book i was able to see exactly where i succeeded and where i failed. I dont think AA can offer you that. Keep in mind also that Mysterys method is very scientific and psycological (as if he is a socialogists teaching a controlled experiment or class)

yes .i think the same way

I agree with Dman, natural and direct game is a little different than the typical MM style. I think it's a good idea to read the mystery method, it is really like a book you'd read in class too. The rules make a lot of sense. the natural game is cool because it doen't really depend on routines or anything, and it's more of just being yourself with a lot more confidence. i am trying this method out in the field now and i am getting pretty good results but it's always a learning process

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Highly recommend Mystery & Styles books. Both have upped my game to measures I never thought could be obtainable.

the game

I didn't read the rest of the replies, but here's what.

If you're a newb, and haven't gotten any lays/dates from cold approaches yet... Then I'm going to give you a somewhat controversial suggestion. A lot of KJs and wannabees won't like it, but fuck them, all I care about is you.

The main trap that newbs fall into

... is the "knowing everything" trap. In other words, it's the trap of learning how to do triple sommersaults before you've even gotten a bike, not once.

Simple example. Guys who follow the "method" route (i.e. mystery method, or else)... On average take 5 years to get good (just good, not masters).

Guys i've given this super-isolate-strategy to, become masters in like 6 months.

Here's the deal. If you go and JUST read a single book on approaching (or a few on approaching), and you go out there and ONLY care about approaching. I mean that's your only goal in seduction. You will get to pickup master levels of approaching skill/courage in like 2 months flat.

Bonus: As you're doing those approaches, and getting to amaster level of approaching, you will *automatically* pick up a lot of the other levels through the field experience. You can NOT become a master of approaching, without picking up a ton of:

-Social Micro-Calibration
-Confidence
-Prizing (seeing yourself as the shit)
-Conversational ability
-Body-Language (automatically adjusts to your increases of self-perceived social status and confidence)
-Delivery
-Frame
-Handling shit/objections
- a ton more

You will get them (simply as a side-effect) all of them up to 70% without even focusing on them.

In other words. If you worked on EVERY SINGLE one of these skills and try to fine tune to absolute mastery, you would only be 30% better than if you didn't focus on them directly (through focusing on approaching).

I like AWAW. It's a book just like art of approaching. Except it deals with getting the number too. But just get either one. If you get art of approaching, just remember the following (awaw formula):

SYSTEM:
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See girl -> Compliment -> Chit Chat for 2-3 minutes (boring small talk) -> Ask for number/Instadate -> Handle objections to giving number, instadate.


Do this consistently until it's a part of your daily routine to do this 2-3 times a day (not just approach, but ask for more, and defeat objections until there are no more objections or she makes it clear there is no interest (make the ho say no)
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That's fucking it. Here's a secret most gurus won't fucking tell you.

All these fancy methods and systems and stuff, it only improves results by a little bit. In other words.

If you, as you are today, simply got the confidence to approach any woman, any where, and confidently ask her out (as the person you are today) without any fancy skills, you'd get a lay once for every 14 women with cold approaches, and about 3-4 with social circle.

If you master every single fucking method on the planet and super fine-tune every single pick-up skills on the planet?

You will lay 1 in 10 women instead of 1 in 14. Yes, the same quality of women and everything.



The trouble with knowing

The trouble with reading a book like the mystery method is that knowledge will kill you. Especially their marketing. When you read all these things to know and be aware of and learn there are 92380 skills and things to be aware of within a pick up, it will take you 12 months to just get to the field. Coz you'll keep finding problems the gurus give you.

Getting a complete system is not superrior, in fact, I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.

Get the simplest system you can (i just gave you one above), and *master* it.

Time needed to master pick up if you focus on everything at once:
5 years [1 in 10 lays] (and you won't even have any results until like 2-3 years in)

Time needed to master a simple system:
3-6 months [1 in 14 lays]

And here's the best part. Once you have a good solid sexual life from the simple system, you can start learning about the advanced stuff, and this time you can better understand them, and probably implement them all in just an additional 3 months (because of the groundwork)

dude... i'd merge into a new set

i've been at this for almost a year... and totally.. it all feels complicated, but fundmentally... it's Hi, talk... talk... laugh.. close

Alek Novis post is BAD ASS i think he has exactly the right idea. Learning all these skills is EXTREMELY overwhelming at first. I see exactly what he is saying in myself. I'm reading the mystery method right now and I was trying to master a lot of things before truely going out in the field and doing it. Now I see where the philosophy is flawed. Go out there, try, fail if you have to, but get back up and keep trying. Experience is everything...

Inspirational post friend

Not read MM yet, ..really need to get it in the next month.

I have come on plenty in just a few weeks from reading MM, and a few things on here.

AlekNovi: It just depends on how quickly you learn things. If you are only going to acheive a 1 in 10, what's the point. I've still loads to learn but am already up to about 1 in 6. Like Mystery says Mastery is acheiving a 5 in 5.

Compared to other things I've learned it's pretty simple. I mean it's not quantum physics, Sartre's Being and Nothingness etc.

I found Mystery's book to be a great resource regardless of where you feel your game is. You can always refer back to it whenever you reach a sticking point. It is moreso training wheels for your inner game. Regardless of the quality of the books you read, you'll never get anywhere if your not getting feedback in the field.

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imo best point within this whole thread. I think i would amend it to read, "... cold-approaches in real life than reading ANY book on PUArtistry."

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Actually, thats bad because then you might have no idea of how to act and what to say at all. Its like starting from the point zero.

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Actually, thats bad because then you might have no idea of how to act and what to say at all. Its like starting from the point zero.[/quote]

I dont agree that it is a bad thing at all. So what if you go out and have NO idea what to do or say, at least you are out trying stuff out.. not just reading what others have done. imo experience > reading about others' experiences.

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