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is there a difference between being a man of high value vs being an alpha male? how do they differ? thanks in advance.


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all alphas are high value but not all high value's are alpha. Its just one archetype of a high value male superset, although it is probably the most common type as this type has inheritant intrinsic value.


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With out any intense terminology being high value could just mean your Bill Gates. Now imagine, would he be getting pussy cos he's alpha or because he has lots of money?

Think of all the old rich dudes with young HB's. There certainly is a difference but you should be aiming to be Alpha and not 'High Value'.

Although alot of 'high value' idividuals get there by being 'Alpha'.

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With out any intense terminology being high value could just mean your Bill Gates. Now imagine, would he be getting pussy cos he's alpha or because he has lots of money?

Think of all the old rich dudes with young HB's. There certainly is a difference but you should be aiming to be Alpha and not 'High Value'.

Although alot of 'high value' idividuals get there by being 'Alpha'.
In my own opinion being alpha means dominating beta Males by any means.

Which means Bill Gates is alpha because he uses his wealth as a method of domination.

Having more value than beta males makes you the alpha.

So indirectly value is connected to being alpha. True story.


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With out any intense terminology being high value could just mean your Bill Gates. Now imagine, would he be getting pussy cos he's alpha or because he has lots of money?

Think of all the old rich dudes with young HB's. There certainly is a difference but you should be aiming to be Alpha and not 'High Value'.

Although alot of 'high value' idividuals get there by being 'Alpha'.
In my own opinion being alpha means dominating beta Males by any means.

Which means Bill Gates is alpha because he uses his wealth as a method of domination.

Having more value than beta males makes you the alpha.

So indirectly value is connected to being alpha. True story.
No, Value is not connected to Alpha. In any sporting team the captain of the team or the Alpha of the team has got no influence on anyone else by being 'high value'.

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With out any intense terminology being high value could just mean your Bill Gates. Now imagine, would he be getting pussy cos he's alpha or because he has lots of money?

Think of all the old rich dudes with young HB's. There certainly is a difference but you should be aiming to be Alpha and not 'High Value'.

Although alot of 'high value' idividuals get there by being 'Alpha'.
In my own opinion being alpha means dominating beta Males by any means.

Which means Bill Gates is alpha because he uses his wealth as a method of domination.

Having more value than beta males makes you the alpha.

So indirectly value is connected to being alpha. True story.
No, Value is not connected to Alpha. In any sporting team the captain of the team or the Alpha of the team has got no influence on anyone else by being 'high value'.
The captain of the team has leadership values , which makes him more dominant.

Do you honestly think he would make a good captain or would be able to be dominant over the other players if he had LESS leadership values than the other players?

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Exactly.

So what I am trying to say is that those values make him more dominant.

Think about it. If you got into a conversation with someone more intelligent he would be able to dominate you. That means he is dominant(alpha) because of his intelligence , which is a high-value quality.

Same applies to pickup - someone more confident would be more dominant(alpha) , thus he gets first choice over the girl....ALL because of his confidence..which is?.....



A HIGH VALUE QUALITY.

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In my own opinion being alpha means dominating beta Males by any means.

Which means Bill Gates is alpha because he uses his wealth as a method of domination.

Having more value than beta males makes you the alpha.

So indirectly value is connected to being alpha. True story.
No, Value is not connected to Alpha. In any sporting team the captain of the team or the Alpha of the team has got no influence on anyone else by being 'high value'.
The captain of the team has leadership values , which makes him more dominant.

Do you honestly think he would make a good captain or would be able to be dominant over the other players if he had LESS leadership values than the other players?

I will give you a moment to think
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Exactly.

So what I am trying to say is that those values make him more dominant.

Think about it. If you got into a conversation with someone more intelligent he would be able to dominate you. That means he is dominant(alpha) because of his intelligence , which is a high-value quality.

Same applies to pickup - someone more confident would be more dominant(alpha) , thus he gets first choice over the girl....ALL because of his confidence..which is?.....



A HIGH VALUE QUALITY.

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I don't think you are understanding OP's question which is...
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is there a difference between being a man of high value vs being an alpha male? how do they differ? thanks in advance.
Like I said being a high value man on a sporting team does not mean you automatically become the captain. The dude who is most 'Alpha' will be the captain not the dude who has the most Value. That being said someone of High Value could be the captain, but not always.


So no, being High Value is not connected to being Alpha. I have personally met very wealthy people who are not Alpha at all.

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The dude who is most 'Alpha' will be the captain not the dude who has the most Value.
My friend... it is IMPOSSIBLE to be an alpha without value.

If you do not have valuable qualities such as confidence , humor , intelligence you have nothing to offer the people around you , thus someone else WITH those values will take your place.

Think about the term Alpha. What does it mean?

-It means being dominant over beta males.

How can you be dominant without possessing qualities that other don't have?

If a woman looks at two males , the one is confident , the other one is less confident- which do you think will be most likely to succeed with her?

The Alpha.

Which is?

The one with more value.

In short. The more confident one.

I think I've made my point.

We are clearly not of the same mind, friend.

I respect you and your methods , therefore I will not debate with you.

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i think some people are confusing the meaning of "alpha".

not dominating everyone, it means LEADERSHIP. you don't become the leader of a group by bullying people, that's how you become a truck driver.

the main difference between the meaning of ALPHA in the animal kingdom and the human world.

animal kingdom, one wolf of a pack is the alpha because any wolf that challenged him failed. this means he is best suited to protect the group and his genes are more likely to ensure healthy offspring. if another wolf were to come along and physically dominate this wolf, he would be on his own and the females of the pack would follow the new alpha of the group. this is logical reasoning. all purely physical

so what is an ALPHA, in the human world?

human beings are a bit more evolved and complex than wolves. therefore, the whole idea of the ALPHA is more subtle and depends on the situation and field. it is not a question of pure physical supremacy. if it were so, our world would be run by a bunch of martial artists and boxers (although, at some level it also applies. think of the evolution of the classical “gangster” and the dominance of such groups in certain parts of the world).

physical health is still viewed as an attractive trait to have, but no longer completely vital to survival (think of all the hot women that are with some ugly and/or fat dudes, it underlines the fact that mental fitness is more important than ever. whit, intelligence, leadership skills, social aptitude, value and adaptability – all the so-called “soft skills” have taken over as the core factors to human survival over physical domination. this can also be argued as being the main foundation for the existence of “game” – a proof that you kept pace, and/or surpassed, the development of the human race). all the shit tests, all the games females play with us, are a subconscious look and gauge at our ALPHANESS.

you are alpha when she and her group chooses you to lead them. this means you are high value to the group at this point. you cant self-proclaim yourself as the ALPHA of a group, it doesn’t work that way.

as an example, you might be the president (APLHA) of your chess club. this means people look up to you for advice and want to learn from you when it comes to chess. it does not mean all the girls around you are getting wet panties.

so where does that leave us as ladies’ men?

you display as many qualities that are identified and/or perceived as being alpha as possible. and you're doing this as quickly as possible. it does not matter if you have just a few minutes, you'll have to game faster.

LEADER, INTELLIGENT, advanced SOCIAL SKILLS, able to ADAPT to circumstances without loosing your calm (i.e. when she shit tests you), demonstrating HIGH VALUE, abundance of choices when it comes to females, being the "go-to guy", and being able to ensure the well-being and safety of a group are all inherently attractive traits. we term this as being or displaying ALPHA. in the human race, the ultimate ALPHA no longer exists! and you can't really prove you are an "ALPHA" within the short time between when you met a girl and when you take her home, so she will test you. that underlines the importance of passing her shit tests and displaying these traits, that are hopefully your second nature (otherwise you are playing tricks on her and she will find out eventually. thus, you will have a hard time keeping her around. but that's a whole different convo. luckily, if you're able to learn game, you're able to learn these traits, which means you are able to adapt, which is a human ALPHA trait. see where this is going?).

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALPHA AND HIGH VALUE. HIGH VALUE IS AN ALPHA TRAIT. CONFIDENCE IS AN ALPHA TRAIT. IF YOU ARE ALPHA, YOU ARE HIGH VALUE. YOU ARE CONFIDENT. IT IS TO ALPHA WHAT A FAN BELT AND A CLUTCH IS TO AN ENGINE.

ARGUING ABOUT THE MEANING OF ALPHA IS NOT ALPHA, IT'S A SIGN OF INSECURITY. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE, GUYS 8)


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Its just semantics.

If i had to give a definition I'd say alpha is being the dominant male, having other guys look to you as the sort of "boss" socially. And high value is about having a lifestyle which contains attractive traits, such as money, wealth, career focused, outgoing, carefree, whatever the girl values.


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