I met this really nice girl 2.5 weeks ago and we clicked instantly. We have endless things in common, as cliche as that sounds. we went on a date a couple days later. it started at 4 and we ended the night at 11. the date went extremely well. we got to know each other a lot, talked about our past relationship problems, and i made her laugh a lot. and i learned a bunch of things about her that caught my attention..for better of worse

-she told me blatantly that she would be upset if she didnt get enough attention from her boyfriend
-i tried to put my arm around her at the movies but she took it off her. i guess you cant even do that on a first date with her. so first base is out of the question. and yea i tried on the second date, didnt work.
-shes a virgin(duhh lol)

shes a really nice girl and i see her as gf material. but what intimidates me is that she comes off as really high maintenance. shes the type that would make you work for everything. i really like that she has good self esteem and doesnt cave into the many pressures of this society when it comes to sex.

another thing that bothers me specifically is her never making the effort to get in contact with me first when it comes to calling/texting/making plans. and i know she enjoys talking to me because everytime we start texting it goes onto the next day. and phone calls would last until i feel like im starting to do most of the talking lol. but she refuses to text/call me first because she "thinks thats the guys job"

i dont believe in getting out of my way for women. its highly against my philosophy. i believe that women is a byproduct of becoming an all around better person. if i was to take time to improve myself when it comes to school, talents, making money, etc...women will be drawn to that automatically because they will see a man thats marketable and alpha. so i try not to get out of my way for any women, there are more important tasks to focus on.

the problem is i really like this girl, but if shes going to make me chase her the way she wants, i dunno if i should do that. the best i can do is meet a girl halfway, mutual relationships are very important to me. im not gonna be whipped lol so what do you guys think about this girl? what are my next steps and how shud i inform her about her attitude?

You may be in the friend zone. Has she given you any IOIs other than laughing a lot?

Two issues that struck me:

1. You DLV'd when you talked about "past relationship problems." Now I'm not sure what the context of this conversation was, but as a rule try avoid getting into such talk. If you want her to think of you as an alpha, she needs to associate you with someone who is preselected and who either doesn't have "relationship problems" or someone who isn't bothered by them (meaning you wouldn't bring them up- you're not affected by the games girls play, you know better now).

2. The fact that she took your arm off her at the movies is not a good sign. Now it's possible she may be timid about intimate contact (though doubtful, especially if you've gone on two completely fruitless dates with her), but it's more likely that you failed to kino escalate. Jumping straight from rapport-building conversations to arm-around-the-shoulder in the same night without any escalation is a risky game to play. If a girl's frame of mind is on comfort-building and you suddenly introduce something from the seduction arsenal (no matter how innocent), she will be uncomfortable with it, whether she's a virgin or not. You have to maintain a state of simmering seductive energy throughout your dates.

I like your attitude about what you're looking for in a girl though. You're right, girls should meet men halfway (at least-- getting them to chase us is optimal). And if she's not doing that, you should look elsewhere. Add that to the fact that it sounds like she's attention-hungry and high-maintenance, and you should really be focusing your energies on picking up someone else.

If you do continue to pursue her, you need to do some kind of freeze-out. Don't talk to her for awhile. And then when you reengage, introduce something new. DHV, jealousy plotline, something that will get her hamster realizing if SHE doesn't act soon, SHE will lose YOU. It's not easy to pull off.

Well, she just doesn't see you the way you see her.

Hard luck. Cut your losses. Move on.

Game other women.

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lol im not really shaken up by not being able to put my arm around her...i brought it up because it was to point out what type of girl she is. she makes guys work for everything. i told other ppl what happened to me and they confirmed that she completely prude the first couple dates.

yea she has given me some other IOIs. After the first date, she immediately assumed that we were "dating" and "were seeing each other" because she said "i dont like letting my friends know who im dating because word always gets around n this small town and it gets really annoying."

i really do love how shes a genuine girl and doesnt like to fool around with multiple guys. i really want to make this work...but the attention-hungry, high maintenance aura that she gives off really discourages me because i dunno if thats going to be a problem if we do start a relationship. or maybe shes just like that during mid-game because she wants to be chased. ill find out in a little while...only time can tell.

but ur advice about being higher status and not mentioning past relationship problems make a lot of sense.

and i dont think anyone should let a little setback like that move them totally off track to a point of giving up. we hung out for 7 hrs and had a great time regardless.