Pre-first date convo's



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:48 pm 
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Met a girl through a mutual friend the other week, nothing came of it that night but it seems she fanices me. Met her again with my mates and her's on saturday night, we had a few drinks and then went out to a few clubs. My friend (also her mate) asked me what I thought of her as she fancies me and that I should make a move.

I got her on the dance floor and had some fun, but it was late in the night so I got her number and said I would text her the next day to see if she fancied going out the following week. She put her number in my phone as 'Heidi :P' so all good so far.

Here's the convo I've had with her so far, just wondering if I'm going wrong and if theres any pointers as to move on from where we're at.

Me: How we doin georgeous, had a great night last night, what day we gonna go out next week? x

Her: Had a good night too, feeling a bit rough today though ha! I don't mind when I'll leave it up 2 you x

Me: Do you fancy going LLoys for a drink then, just me and u an see how things go x

Her: I was asleep last night ha. Yeah I'd be up for that, just let us know when ur free x

Me: Gonna need to check my busy schedule then! U gonna let me buy you a drink this time then ;) x

Her: Hmmm I might let u get me one this time! I'm probably gonna need to check my busy schedule as well ha x

Next morning;

Thought I'd start ur week of on a high note by saying hello. What you up to? x

few more exchanges saying what we're up to and how her day was going etc...

where do i go from here, organising a date is clearly on the agenda, but other than that what....stuck a little.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:25 pm 
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the overall outcome is great, she's definitely interested to see you and go for a drink, but there are some things to point out to improve your game.

1. all girls have been called "babe, hun, honey gorgeous, hottie etc". sounds very sleazy and every guy does it. dont do it to stand out.
2. I wouldnt say that it is a good thing going straight into asking her out on a date. seems risky. you were lucky that she agreed but it's safer not to move that fast when doing post-number close game.
3. i liked the part when you told her how busy you are. shows that you are extremely sociable and you're allocating a specific time for her.
4. seems like there's alot of chit chat. those kind of conversations can only go so far, not close enough to get into a chick's pants lol. even though a little wont hurt too much.
5. it is obvious that you are gonna buy her a drink on the date, but it sounds very bad saying it in the text in my opinion.

here are some extra notes on attraction, building rapport, number closing and arranging the date (a safer way).

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude


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