apologies for the length of this post but i didn't want to skip any details that might be relevant.

background:
I'm 22 years old, not particularly good looking but i'm comfortable enough with that, over the last few years I've completely hit a brick wall when it comes to women (to be honest, I did alright when at school but when i left things went downhill haha)

situation:
there's this girl who is now at uni/college with me who I used to hang out with a lot when i was 16-18... never hooked up but got on really well and were pretty good friends. i didn't see her at all for a couple of years until i found out she was at uni with me. i met up with her for a drink a few months ago and it all went really well - joking, laughing etc. seemed like good signs. after the drink she came back to mine to have a smoke and watch south park or something. nothing happened. to be honest i really didn't push it - i wasn't very confident, and was nervous that we were friends in the past so she might think it was weird if I tried anything. I'm assahmed to say she fell asleep with my arm around her.

the next night she went out and gave me a call when she left the club to ask if she could come over for a smoke. blah blah blah, she came over we had a smoke - she left. again, i didn't really make any moves.... at the time it just didn't feel 'on' (even though it probably sounds like it was)

i co-run this hip hop night so a couple of weeks later i asked if she was going to come. she came and i pretty much spent the whole time at the club with her. when the night finished i was going to an afterparty but she said she would either go home or, i convinced her, chill at mine for a bit. she came back to mine but nothing really happened and i walked her home before heading off to this party.

i don't know what my problem here is to be honest.... i can't seem to take it further, from just getting on well and being good friends, to something more. half of it is probably because i subconsciously don't really want to ruin a friendship with just a possibility of getting somewhere - its not certain enough. i guess that what PU is for - to make it certain! haha.

I'm wondering 1)whether i've been slammed in the friendzone once again 2)whether this is really such an obstacle if i do want to take it further 3) how I can get things rolling!

we're about to finish our exams which means there's about 10 days of straight partying to come, including another (the last one) of my hip hop nights, so good opportunities for PU both with her and anyone else. I've set my sights on her now though and once i've done that i find it very hard to shift my focus.

any advice on any level is very much appreciated. I'm pretty new to this PU thing so feel free to be harsh!

Hey man, don't think about it so much. Do a lot of kino, and just go for a kiss. If you can dance with her at the club, feel her body a lot.

Have fun and no regrets.

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thanks man, much appreciated. although this is definitely valid advice I'm looking for something a bit more specific....

thanks again

here is how i usually escalate some kino, ( but i kinda suck at it but you can tweak it to see if you're confident enough for it).

after a party or something, if you invite her

you to her: you look stressed
her: really?/ i do?/ (whatever she says)
you: i would take you to the massage parlor but theyre closed.
her: yea that sucks
you: (if you are seperated from her) come here, ive actually been taught how to massage, i konw: blah blah blah ( ===learn how to give a legitamete massage! GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND===)

if she comes to you give her the massage. she is comfortable enough for you to grab her shoulders and stuff... kind of an IOI since shes curious about the massage

if she resists, roll off and switch topics to your tv or even cook something but dont give her any for not accepting you massage! the point is to not make it seem like she is very important and you are desperate to give her a massage.

if she wants the massage, give it to her and think of something to escalate with after.

at this point, play your cards right and you should be able to get a kiss or even more out of her!

J is right, massage method is great. Insane amount of kino, intimate situation and easily turns things sexual.

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Theres 7 main steps, each step just look up/google for pua advice on each if you want further more detailed help:

1) dont fall for shit test
2) make strong eye contact
3) break rapport with negs/teasing her
4) KINO escalate, need to slowly get more and more touchy feely with her, see vindicarlos ladder ect.
5) sexualy frame, ie move the topic of conversation onto something sex related as often as possible.
6) Don't act needy/do things for her, always be available/always respond to her calls/texts immediately and drop your plans.
7) date other girls and show them off around her (without being an a-hole)

thanks for this, sounds technical! will definitely give it ago if i can summon the balls for it haha

this is really helpful man, thanks. number 7 is actually something i've been wondering about and i posted about it earlier (here's a jealousy-a-good-weapon-to-use-vt92251.h ... sy+weaponm for that post). I k-closed this other girl a couple of times over the last few weeks and slept at hers after an after-party at her house last week (no f-close annoyingly - it was about 7am by the time we got into bed though so fair enough i think). i'm not sure whether or not its still on with this girl but i'm definitely going to try and make a go of it this friday when we all go out after my last exam. basically, i instinctively assume that if i get with one girl while I'm trying to link another, one or both of them will write me off as an asshole. is this not the case?

tbh i haven't explained myself very well but the link i've put above explains the situation much better. any feedback on this 'jealousy' topic would be much appreciated.

(update on the situation that is the subject of this topic: i called her today and she started talking about meeting up for a drink before i even had to ask - good sign i reckon. i also gave her the "oh, did you think i was asking you out for a drink?" which i thought worked quite nicely. she's also said she IS going to come to my hip hop night so seems like its win win at the moment!)

She interested, this is what you have to do (more or less)

1. Take charge, lead her.
2. when moving from place to place, link arms (easy kino). ONLY when it is necessary. dont make it awkward for her trying to link arms in a narrow hallway lol. Best for where things are open and easy to move around.
3. read: the best tease routines by JayWa, Its in the routines section of the forum, its at the top. you should get some good material to prepare.
4. bounce to your place or hers, and talk about the hip hop night with her and sexually frame.
5. relax and dont think about it too much.
6. YOU CAN DO IT! make sure to keep eye contact and smile. but don't smile to the point where its creepy.

The massage trick is a great way to sneak it in the butt. Wait, whut?

http://www.vindicarlo.com/DiCarlo%20Esc ... lo.com.pdf

I post this as often as I can because I believe that it's as important as any PU material you can buy.

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thanks for the help man, i'll definitely be putting this into practice.

will keep you updated!

haha nice one mate, will give that a read