Been into the game for a couple of months, been lovin it, but I need some tips on proper negs. I've got a solid gameplan and I've made some progress (made out with two girls on a first date!) but I've got a question about negging and negs in general. I tend to neg girls as a way of lowering their esteem - I once sarged this girl who was kind of a bitch face to face, but later on turned into a really shy, cute person while texting. I told her later, "haha you're such a hyporite, you seemed so nice in your texts!" with a teasing smile, which worked real good. However, I find that some girls tend to shut down and respond defensively. I realize negs aren't meant to do that, but mine sometimes do. So I've got 2 questions:

1) What do I do when my negs insult a girl? Of course they ideally shouldn't, but I'm no master
2) I need examples of good, "on the spot" negs. Would tremendously help me.

Thanks guys.

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Negs are outdated man. And if you're using it to knock a girl's self-esteem you're doing it wrong. You should neg a girl only if there's a reason for it. If a girl is acting holier than thou then I'll let her know I wont take it, but that should be natural, not a "neg".
Don't neg a girl who doesn't deserve it. In fact, scrap the word "neg" altogether. Treat people nice and have no time of day for insults thrown at you. That's how the proccess should be.

A good alternative is to use double-sided complements; You look stunning, but if your hair was down you would look so much better.

Double-sided compliments are, in the end of the day, compliments, and I don't want to be a kissass to get attention. That just makes you look like most other guys - once yo neg her, doesn't she look for YOUR approval (and thus, wants to do pretty much everything to get it)?

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GOOD NEG THAT WORKED WONDER THAT ACTED LIKE A DOUBLE EDGE SWORD:

ive been gaming this hb8 online and in the university night club she had a few drinks and i was sober. she showed me lots of IOI's and i didnt wanted to do anything with her cuz she was a little drunk. next day she asks me (on msn ): why were you so dull last night? i said well first of all i didnt drink. then at one point of the conversation i said .. damn you were so sexy last night ! i would have eat you slowly, but since im on antibiotics i cant have alcohol in my system... (french expression : eating more like making out or eat the pussy or whatever)

if she didnt liked me the first thing she would have said would be something like this :

like you have a chance to eat me pfff


but since ive used that neg, i can assure that she is interested, because she said:

i wasnt THAT drunk!! come on !!

PLEASE RATE MY NEG PUAs!!

Trivium

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You say it's a compliment.. but it's also a neg. Pay a compliment but immediately take it away:

- Nice dress... is it vintage?

It's not nasty, and it gives her something to talk about which she loves (shopping) but there's enough there to imply that perhaps her dress looks old fashioned or second hand to you (as a style conscious guy) or that she is a cheapskate, thus she will want to qualify herself.

GOLD RIGHT THERE BABY

no seriously, that shit works like a charm every time

i agree with the other guys, negs are overrated and should only be used to punish her.

Negs are more based on context. what i mean is if she knows shes being a bitch you can say any neg you want and it will not really insult her. but if she feels like she's being good, she will be insulted by your negs and probably tell you to go fuck yourself.

women do like a MAN who will stand up for himself or spank her when shes acting out, (insert random neg here)but they also want a MAN who is sweet and thoughtful when they're being good.(small meaningful gifts, compliments)

she will give you PLENTY of shit tests and opportunities to spank her, until then you will get much further on compliments and flattery.

If you're sincere with your compliments then it's not kissing ass, and it's certainly not for attention. You'll be unsuccessful if you avoid doing stuff, or act a certain way to get a girl. Grow up.
Girls work like that ONLY in pickup theory. Girls are attracted to people that make them feel good. I try to be a cool guy who's doing my thing. I don't worry about negs or compliments too much, I just use compliments a lot because it moves things along; "you've a really flat stomach, guys must love that", "you've got the prettiest hair, it's all soft and fluffy *touch, touch, touch*", etc...
As long as you come across as though you'd say it to anybody as a compliment if it were true, and you're not doing it just to kickass she'll get it, and love it.

Wow guys, thanks a lot for your help - I guess I really was backwards on some issues. I guess compliments aren't that bad of a thing at all

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I dunno what this whole anti NEG chat is all about but my game centres around NEG's. Its one of those things thats a simple but effective art, .....very effective art.

Vampire's Example is a good NEG, compliment followed by a small insult. Now when talking about NEG's it tough to get the language right. I find the best way to explain them is as a backhanded compliment or almost a controlling statement. The aim is PUSH and PULL. Its the basic formula of attraction! How many times have you heard the phrase "You don't know what you have got till you have lost it"? or "hindsight is a wonderfull thing".

These quotes hi-light that you pay more attention to something when you don't have it rather than when you do. In terms of the Game you are giving her your affection and then taking it away, she will learn to want it because its not something that she gets all the time.

So examples;

"Hey thats a beautiful dress...(Pause wait for reaction)..Watch out tho im sure i saw another girl out tonight wearing the exactly the same one...(Pause, possible conversation started)...Its alright though you wear it much better."

"Ha ha you are cute when you giggle...(Pause)..Yea your nose does this cute little scrunch that makes you look much younger...(Pause).. I like it though."

Now the to examples i have used, are answers for your first question. Because your Compliment, NEG, Compliment you don't leave her dwelling on the NEG and instead she has felt the PUSH and PULL.

Your post has made me wish to explain this sooner, so ill write up a full thread and send ya a link.

Regards, Saint[/u]

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