Hi, forum! Newbie Vulture here to tell you about tonight


I was in a bar/club. I saw two cute brunettes walking across the bar (HB9 and HB6). I decided to approach although I had to force myself to do it, since I was nervous about my opener.
I opened with a style opener (?).

ME: Where did you buy those shoes. Im asking 'cause my sister dragged me to buy the same exact shoes. We looked them for 2h and when we found a place that sold them they just sold the last pair few hours ago. If you bought them from XX store you're so dead. (Obv bullshit opener, but it's pretty fun to do).

She was actually quite into it. She told me something about buying them from somewhere else. I started talking to her friend and asked her name and the targets name. I immediately forgot the names which is a thing I have to work on in the future. We talked something about why are you here, since they were from different city. We talked about school for a while, but I wanted to talk about something else (school/work bad topics right?). I think I actually negged the targets friend
, which was bad, but the target was so perfect I couldn't find anything to say wrong about her. I need help with negging I think
After this I leaded the convo to travelling and the fact I was in XX country for 4 months as a exchange student. I did a self created kino routine, where I first tell the stereotype guys in my country (Masculine and quite aggro) where in the country XX the guys are feminine and passive. I told that I dropped a weight bar on my hands because a XX country person pushed me a bit. Then I told her that the feminine guy rubbed my hands like this (then I demonstrate how he did it by rubbing her hands for a bit). Then I ask him what would she do, pull the hands away or stay there. She was laughing a bit and i got kino, so I personally think this is a good routine.
Then I kinda got stuck and we talked about travelling or something. I tried to notice her also, who left to get water for a while and just returned. However the target said that they should be going so I guess I fcked up somewhere. Dunno, I felt I did fine most of the time. Maybe the girl had a bf, but I rather think I can improve by getting better at the game.


DO YOU GUYS SEE ANY PROBLEMS IN MY APPROACH? I'd like to see a step by step program how to pull-girls. I think my biggest problem is to create attraction and maybe to remain eye cointact. I hate that my game ends after the initial conv.

- Should I be isolating the girl (seems super hard when the friend is there)
- Wtf should I do to create attraction?
- Is there any negs that are current that a nice guy like can use (I think I said something that I like her hair, but I prefere blondes over brunettes). It seemed lame IMO and def insincere, cuz I love brunettes.
- Why are all the all the openers in this forums for old people? Like who the hell in their mid-twenties goes asking about 80's pop music. Seems gay and weird.

Sorry for the end rant, but I truly appreciate all help. Thanks forum!

Would like a reply for this

let's see what i can do...

-Topics: you mentioned school and work is a bad topic. they arent! to me, the only negative topics would be stuff like death, rape, murder, grisly crime, etc etc. anything else that people normally discuss in a social situation is good.

Relate emotions to topics like work and school. in fact, try to relate them to everything she tells you. Make her feel you understand her emotions.

-No target is perfect.you dont have to neg her looks or appearance. the way she acts, quirky habits etc. there's always a neg for use, for e.g, a girl dressed in a simple t shirt and shorts, "omg nice shorts but, damn, your leg hair!" and something like that. a neg is basically a tease that is a mild insult. Be PLAYFUL about it. Make sure you do, if not...

note, you dont have to neg every girl you meet. Teasing is a must, a neg isnt. How do u figure out when to neg and when not to neg?

-When a girl is responsive, compliant and basically giving you a smooth, good time, a neg in uncessary.
-For the opposite, neg all you want. But bear in mind, if the conversation loses steam, a neg isnt the way to go. She might just think you're an arse. xD

-Your kino routine is good. Im gonna keep that in mind.
-things to note - kino early, but not go too heavy. maybe start out with light touches of the shoulder to emphasize a point, anything to show that u are confident with touching women, then go on to kino routines.

-eye contact is easy to build, simply stare at the mirror, look into your eyes. do this for 10 mins without cracking up and you win.

thats all i can help with i guess.

I think your main problem is that you're way too indirect and cautious. You're not showing any sexual intent, and that's why the girls got bored and left - they knew you liked them, that you were hiding it, and that you were never going to make a move.

So to create attraction show your sexual intent. Use more direct openers, or if you don't feel confident enough doing that use indirect-direct openers so that you can guage the girls initial interest before you make your intentions known (you NEED to do this early). Like you said, asking about 80's pop music is gay and weird. Also your opener, as you said "obvs bullshit opener".

Be genuine rather than hiding behind indirect routines and openers, you'll come across a lot less creepy that way. Also you will probably get blown out quickly by girls that would never be interested in you rather than spending 20 minutes with a set like this that leads to nowhere, which is a good thing.

Use body language, get close to the girl, give strong eye contact, have more of a seductive vibe. You don't have to be verbally sexual if you can just show it with your body language.

I agree and disagree with this. I feel it's more based on the context and the target. I have previosly used the topic pedophelia. A very odd thing to talk about but the the context was relevent and the target had a great sense of humour (she was studying to become a child phsycologist and she had laughed at joke and neg I threw at her).Though do also note I kept it very brief if you are going to touch on these subjects don't drag them on, looks like you enjoy the topic as you can tell it looks weird. The context in which you talk about something is important. But as Insurgentes suggest be very wary about using them they will rarely work.

A suggestion for your topics:

• Keep it light and fun
  
  Change the topics up often. You see an opening for a new topic if you have been on one for a while take it.
  
  Throw in some unexpected changes in topics keeps interest levels high

I think it was Mystery that posed the difference in conversations between old friends and new friends.

The structure of a conversation between people who have first met looks similar to this:

Topic: A,A,A,B,B,B,C,C,C

Its boring and expected

Topics between old friends look similar to this:

Topic: A,A,B,A,C,C,B,B,C

They interweave, this builds comfort with you in the target and keeps the conversation interesting.

Patty[/list]

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I like what you said. Kinda agree. Well, game is about context as well. There isnt a one-size-fits-all approach. Like that time I was chatting up a lady i just met (i wasnt attracted to her much, just normal, fun conversation), she was a paramedic, which meant topics of death and blood could be lightly discussed without much fear of weirding her out and so on. Infact we bonded over this topic, cause i have always wanted to know how people who deal with death everyday work and feel like.

Good post!

Exactly as the great Conker once said "It's context sensitive".

(That's Conkey from Conkers Bad Fur day. But as if you didn't already know that)[/quote]

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