How's it goin everybody? I'm a first time poster here on the forum. I am a college student over the in the US of A and I am seeking consultation about a strange situation I found myself in with this HB10. I want to apologize beforehand for the length of this convoluted post, but I will try to make it as concise as possible.

So, there's this HB10 that I met through a friend of a friend at a party. Unfortunately, we really didn't get to converse for very long due to the fact that we were in this drinking competition. However, Idid periodically made fun of her for losing to me.

The next weekend that group of friends, who I am not super close to, was doing this valentine's dance party thing at one of their houses. Well, the HB10 didn't have a date, so one of my friends had suggested that she ask me to the valentine's thing. My friend was communicating via a friend of the HB10's who he has been hooking up with recently. For simplicity's sake, let's call my friend x, and the girl he was hooking up with y. So x made the suggestion before he knew that the HB10 and I had met. Y relayed the message to HB10 who confirmed that she had met me and thought I was "really cute." X then gave my phone to y to give to HB10 to ask me if i would go. The hb10 then asked y who she thought she should ask me or this other guy, whom she has known longer. X suggested that she ask me. I end up finding out that did go with this other guy. I met up with X sometime during the week after and he informs me of the fact, and that the guy she went with was a goon, and ended aggresively hitting on her to the point of her annoyance. He then told me she had was thinking of either asking me or this other guy. This was the first time I found out she was even considering me, a guy whom she had only met once.


Fast forward a week to this past weekend. I was at a bar, and Y came up to me and asked me why I didn't text hb10 to the valentine's thingy, of which I was an outisder. I was completely thrown aback. I told y that I had know idea that i was supposed to ask her, considering I never got hb10's #. So apparently, there was a colossal miscommunication on everyone's part. I'm still however confused as to the phsyche behind the hb10.


Yesterday, I sent hb10 a facebook friend request. For those of you that are unfamiliar with facebook, you can add a message to the friend request. It can sometimes be problematic because the person accepting the friend request is small and can often be overlooked. So with the friend request I sent "hey so what's all this that i'm hearing about the valentine's dance thing last weekend? lol." The friend request was accepted yet there was no reply. So she either saw it and decided not to reply, or she didn't see it as she hastily accepted the request.I am unsure as what to do now. I could definitely see how things could get awkward and I don't want to mess it up.


Thanks

well i think the main problem was that there were people in the middle of the situation with you and the hb10 and even though there is communication between you guys and the middle people, THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU AND THE HB10 AT ALL. you've got to be the man and make the move, because women are bitches, they're lazy and they're waiting for the guys to do their thing.

i dont understand why there had to be a competition in this situation. even though there's always going to be competition in game, why did it seem like its her decision to choose between you and this other guy. the reason you were not picked was because you didnt demonstrate any high value or status and found that in the other guy.

you should of handled the situation yourself and reduce the risks of miscommunication by actually interacting with her, build attraction and rapport, get her number and then ask her out.

for now, i dont think that writing a message would do any good, think you will do much better if you meet her in person again. so find the next opportunity and take it. here are some notes on how to build attraction, rapport, number close and arranging a date.

women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

here are some of my other posts about building attraction and rapport with a girl.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

number close: dont say to her "Can i get your number?", be more commanding and say casually "Hey, i really need to get going, was cool meeting you, we should meet up sometime, whats your number?". this way sounds more positive, confident and you're assuming that there is going to be contact. depending on the rapport and the content of the conversation, to prevent her from not texting/calling you back, tell her you're going to place her in your phone under a nickname. usually when i tell girl when she's gets my number to put me on their phone as "Mickey Mouse" lol, this creates better impact.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

after developing attraction and rapport on the phone or texting, you can say "it would be cool if you and i met up for a drink sometime. How about "BAR" on DATE at TIME". this sounds more commanding and confident, you're assuming there is going to be a meeting and you're making an offer not a request.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude

Thanks for the reply mikey. Greatly appreciated.

To answer some of your questions:

There was no communication between me and the hb about the valentine's thing because I had no idea she was even considering asking me until a week after the fact when y came up to me at the bar askin me about it. If i knew she wanted to go beforehand I would have talked to her about it.

As to why she didn't ask I'm still unsure. Her friend, y, asked me why I didn't ask hb to the valentine's thing. It made it seem like hb was under the impression that I was gonna ask her. However, hb had my number, so she could've asked me. I don't know if she chose the other guy because I didn't text her, or because she really did want to go with the other guy.

The competition I wrote about was a booze drinking competition. Teams of two were competing to see who chould finish a fifth of alcohol the fastest.

I think there was some indirect DHV, since Y (hb's good friend) told hb I was a "really cute and cool" when she was originially suggesting that hb go with me to the valentine's thing.

I don't plan on sending another message. I'm just hoping she overlooked the little message i put in the facebook friend request.

Should I jokingly bring it up next time I see her. Something like "Thanks for replying to my message!" in an obvious joking way. Thoughts?

yeh but a guy should not depend on the girl to make the initial contact because girls are lazy, unreliable etc. the guy should always make the first move. dont see why it has to be the chick considering you when you are the one that has to consider taking her to the party. it's all about you wanting to take her out and you talking about it with her because the only people that need to be in the picture are you and her.

when you see her again, brush off the part about the friend request on facebook and dont joke about it because it doesnt mean anything. what is important is for you to start your game on her with some of the tips i wrote before and learn more from other posts.

Mickey thanks again.

Well the reason I didn't ask her was I was the outsider. I didn't know about the valentine's thing. I'm only good friends with one person, x, of that group of people. So x didn't directly invite me because of that fact. She was the one that is in that close group of friends.

Thanks for the suggestion about not bringing up the message in the friend request thing to her. What you said makes a lot sense.

I was gonna use that as a way to start talking to her about the whole valentine's fuck up. Part of me is rather curious as to what really happened. Should i bring it up to her or just let it go? I was thinkin of maybe using that as a way to joke around with her and maybe throw in a neg saying (jokingly of course) that even if she did ask me I probably would've said no.

I'm unsure as to how to go about gaming this girl. I mean, I already know she is physically attracted to me. But this girl is the kind of girl that gets hit on all the time. Should I use the push-pull technique on this girl? Should I be direct? Indirect? Since this girl is an hb10, I was planning on throwing in a fair share of negs the next time I talked to her.

i think when you see her dont bring up the valentine's day thing at all, but if she brings it up in conversation make a little statement about it and move on to some other topics.

if you know that she gets hit on all the time, then indirect game is the best way to go about it. but do some research and ask x to tell you what the hb10 is like so that you can come up with which approach to use. push pull technique is good, makes the girl confused, shows your playful, builds attraction fast. use some of the information in my main post and get some help from other posts.

hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude