Hello.


HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?

pua"There is not place to sit" -implying im not here because im hitting on you

HB"you should really not stand next to me"-implying dont hit on me

pua"i'm sorry but I think the elderly should be sitting and the young should be standing."-implying were young and we should stand, and im not hitting on you.

HB:"really im not interested in you"-implying youre standing there cuz you're interested in her

pua"these lines to pay for items are always setup randomly with people" -implying that people stand there at random and not because they're interested in each other.

Okay so most chicks will give up when they cannot break your happy frame and all you're doing is ignoring the essence of their questions.

Or some chicks will try to break your indirect game with shit tests because if you answer these questions honestly you will reveal that you like her and it will now be verbal direct game.
-why are you always around me?
-dont you have other girls to be with?
-why are you still here?
-why do talk to me so often?
-why do you bother coming up to me and talking.



BUT does this come off as pussy? Like you cannot admit to her that you are there because you are interested in her. This shit test breaker will be needed when mid gaming indirect.

or what are some techniques to break a shit test without coming off as pussy?

Cocky and funny could work but then you come off as a guy who laughs off things just to hide his real feelings for her and being a pussy.


EDIT: another problem with avoiding the essence of a questions this way is that she could possibly start to lose trust in you because you come off as hiding something.

little more info? what's the situation? why were you standing with her?

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This is just a example of a shit test conversation.

the whole time she is shit testing. The point of the thread is for people to tell how they feel about avoiding arguments (shit tests) but coming off as a pussy who cannot argue.

How can you argue and not come off angry or trying to prove your point better than hers.







Then this tactic is the "you're getting the wrong idea" and saying it. That can easily piss her off too. like this.

ex.
hb:Why are you interested in me?
pua:interested in terms of what?
hb:youre trying to hit on me.
pua: woah you're getting too far ahead. let's just talk for now.

You see in this argument i admitted i was hitting on her indirectly, so does it come off as pussy just like ignoring the essence of her questions.

The only way you come off as a pussy in this situation is if you let it bother you. You are the prize not her so grow some balls and laugh at her and turn your back on her- its her loss not yours.

No offense, but you sound like a pussy because you're apologetic. If she knows you well and just doesn't like you, this isn't a shit test... she just wants you to get away from her.

If these are the first words she has said to you on your initial meeting, stop apologizing with lines like "these lines to pay for items are always setup randomly with people".

HOLY SHIT I've been doing this the whole time. I just looked up the definition

Offering or expressing an apology or excuse

This is all an excuse every single one of that line comes out like an excuse... oh boy.

Thanks!

Do you know any techniques i can use to handle these shit tests and remain indirect at this point during the gaming? I cannot think of a single thing to say or do that would not break my indirect game.



The only problem i see here is that what if she does want to give me a shot, but is shit testing me to see my response. Most of the girls who come off like this, which is considered rude by most people are the more ballsier experienced girls. After judging a few of my responses she will see if I'm the type of guy who quits and leaves or am I the type of guy who can handle this bull test and persist.

I also was not breaking my vibe while responding with those shit tests breakers which I know realize are coming off as excuses and apologies.

The reason you're getting shit tests is because she knows you like her, but that you're trying to hide the fact that you're hitting on her. She finds it creepy that you're stood there while pretending not to be interested. Stop doing that, it's weird. Just show your interest, be direct and genuine.

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?

pua"There is not place to sit" -implying im not here because im hitting on you

HB"you should really not stand next to me"-implying dont hit on me

pua"i'm sorry but I think the elderly should be sitting and the young should be standing."-implying were young and we should stand, and im not hitting on you.

HB:"really im not interested in you"-implying youre standing there cuz you're interested in her

pua"these lines to pay for items are always setup randomly with people" -implying that people stand there at random and not because they're interested in each other.

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You didn't have fun with it man - there are so many ways that you could have amused yourself with this situation.


Misinterpretation

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?
You: (Totally misinterpretation) Thanks, I like my coat too - but enough about me ...

Cocky Funny

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?
You: Damn girl, you must have better game than that - I'm doing you a favor by standing here... (Make up a ridiculous reason of why your doing her such a big favor - it doesn't have to make logical sense.)

Tongue-In-Cheek-Romanticism

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?
You: Shhh....Baby this isn't time for words...(get in a little closer)...let's just FEEL right now baby....(Give a natural smile and maybe even a little laugh - because it's so fucking ridiculously funny.)

Seductive

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?
You (Say nothing, turn your head slowly while keeping eye contact, if she continues any conversation, cool, if not you gave it a try so it's still cool.)

Total Self-Amusement

HB"Why are you standing with me?" -implying you hitting on me?
You Girlfriend please (Snap fingers) I no you ain't be going off on every brother you see - it's not my fault that your parents didn't give you enough ice-cream as a kid.
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It may seem counter-intuitive, but your goal should not be to get the girl. It would be a nice bonus but just entertain yourself - and have fun.

Benn with any of those responses would also seem weird. The reason she's testing you is because she's alreadyy made her mind up that she doesn't like you standing there pretending not to be interested in her when you clearly are. The only way to diffuse this test is to be genuine - "to be honest I thought you looked interesting and I wanted to meet you". She rejected the guy because he seemed weird by pretending not to be interested, if he had just been genuine there may have been a chance to turn things around...

Totally agree with Adam,

Show interest only when you have receive enough IOIs and hold certain level of attraction, play a solid game and you will never see shit tests. Girls are not all bitches

I'm thinking next time i get shit tested this way without having a shot at building attraction or showing value like dominance or will power.

A good example is when you do an opener or an ice breaker and she pulls out this shit test immediately.

pua: opener/ice breaker
then HB tries to get control by asking

HB: is that a pickup line ?
HB: why are you asking me?

the only way to get out of those situations without coming off as a pussy with excuses for talking to her and of course what you mentioned "she knows what you're doing" is to go direct and show interest and then she'll pull the boyfriend line immediately since you had no chance to show value and create attraction.


I think a good way to diffuse this situation is by combining the two things you both said.

Direct interest then quickly drop a cocky and funny/DHV spike to show some value and get her interested.


Has anyone tried this? direct interest + quick cocky and funny and how did it work? I saw this in a video and it worked well. The girl asked him if that was a pickup line after his opinion opener and he took control of the direct interest and then dropped a quick cocky and funny. She then allowed him to continue.

im looking at a deeper issue here.

You're asking about a shit test. SHE WASN'T SHIT TESTING YOU~!


That's my point. Why are you standing in such a way that it provoked someone to express disinterest in you? Did you attempt to open, get shut out, and stick around?

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How are those not shit tests if she's interested, but wants to see my reaction. Like does this guy get all pissed off when he gets slightly rejected or insulted or can he keep his cool.
Standing in line and hitting on chicks is a good way to pitch your game, because she has to stick around. If she's moving or some shit she'll just keep walking and walking or highly resist stopping. Chicks sitting is another good way to have them hear out your game.

You have to remember that this is just an example of a shit test. The shit test could be, why are you asking me to stop walking, why are you sitting on my table just after talking for 30 seconds, or why are you sitting next to me on the bus when there are plenty of seats around. She wants to see your answer to any of these examples.

I mean these shit tests are killers for most indirect game. What are you suppose to say "oh i just want to talk" or "i talk to random people out of politeness"

So the different between an IOD and a shit-test is that the shit test is being said in somewhat of a neutral or even playful manner, more like FLIRTING or BANTER than telling someone to fuck off. Sounds to me like she was just telling you to fuck off.

Remember, being indirect just means not expressing your sexual intent IMMEDIATELY. It doesn't mean "constantly deny you have ANY interest in the girl whatsoever" because that is retarded.

If a girl asks why you're talking to her, you can either just say you thought she looked fun and wanted to say hi, or just say you enjoy going around meeting new people, and make her seem weird for thinking anything of it.

But, if you're just STANDING there not talking to her, then OF COURSE she's gonna ask wtf you're doing because that shit is CREEPY. Either open or keep moving. Standing still near people and not talking is incredibly value-lowering in a social situation.

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Have you field-tested this theory?

Because I go direct on girls the whole fucking time and get their number in 5 minutes whilst you're still "running a routine stack" to try to "build attraction."

You're simply ASSUMING that a girl will lie about a BF to try to get rid of you, as an excuse to not actually TRY to be direct. That's a limiting belief that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because the only times you "go direct" are when the girl forces it out of you because you've miscalibrated your indirect approach and she calls you out and you then HAVE to display interest in a super-afc "oh shit, you got me, I DIDN'T actually want to get your opinion, I just wanted to fuck you, duuuh, silly me, sorry "

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