Hey guys,

I'm new to PUA.. I've had a couple of dates this week from girls I've met in internet.

My main problem in dates is that I get girls that talk and talk and talk, and I keep listening to them, too quiet and then I don't control the conversation, frame control, idk how you guys call it.

I don't know many routines, but I know some that I want to try, but in the moment it never seems apropriate.. idk.. I kinda hesitate to do it.

I think about reading her palm, cubing or 5 lies.. but's a bit tough to stop her boring conversation (mainly about pastly relationships or her college and professional things) and doing these..


any tips?

Frame control is other thing, it is more than just taking the lead of the conversation is defining the nature of the relationship.

The only way to avoid boring conversation is to lead the conversation yourself, let her talk a little and then throw some "ocassional" comments relating what she just said with a different subject you want to talk about.

It is good to let her talk but you have to have the balls to lead the conversation to subjects that actually empower you.


My suggestion: think of a DHV story about one ex girlfriend you can throw anytime they start talking about relationships (For example I use: I used to date a crazy girl, she was so crazy that one time while teasing she bit me in the neck and I am not taking sexy)

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yeah, I kinda misunderstood the framing..

thanks for the tip.. gonna do it the next time..

now I remember that with one of the HB I've made the "mammals biting the neck while mating" thing of pulling her hair.. but she was kinda "oh, really? you like that?" but 1sec after got back to her boring topic.. lol
i need practice.. that's ok

Hahahahahah, sounds like you got screwed there.

Well, my story works because it actually happened to me.
I am against canned material in general but DHV stories can save your ass.
You can use mine but it would be much better if you can create one by yourself.

There are several things you can do if she doesn't shut up that actually can help you but some require strong body language (looking deeply and sexy into her eyes to buid tension) or strong frame (tactically ignoring her) but if you don't feel that confiedent try leading the conversation to one of these topics:

-The differences between men & women
-Most guys don't understand women
-Your and her childhood memories
-Crazy things people do

These ones will surely get her hooked and you can use them to escalate.

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there's another concept that I'm bit out of touch with.. escalation.

after hooking her with the relationship conversation, I should start verbally sex escalation?

I am no expert in physical escalation but the most basic principle is to escalate slowly from the very beginning.

As soon a sthe interaction start you need to start escalating physically and it must match your verbal escalation (remember touch is a prize and as such, you don't give it without merit).
Also look for the 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards strategy.

Finally, NEVER verbally escalate sex, a woman will rarely accept sex if you make her to verbally agree to sex.
All sexual encounters should be framed with her having sex with you because "it happened".

Try reading vin dicarlo escalation ladder for fundamentals.

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ok, the physical escalation I got.. but what is the verbal escalation if it's not sexual?

It is sexual, you will talk about sex, but you are not going to offer or trade it, you are going to subtly suggest it.

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