I encountered some real stopping power shit tests the last week when gaming (since I'm literally beginner and studying lots). Are these really shit tests or just big IOD s ?

Never really could figure out how to recover from these.
One time HB10 put hand in front of my face and said 'you talk to much' and then turned away.

Another, went to give an opinion opener, who lies more with a mixed group, was getting good respect with the guys and like 'oh you should ask her' and I do and then she's like 'im loaded don't talk to me'

I started on this HB9 with the jealous girlfriend intro (with the box of pictures my buddy has under his bed), used this for the first time but went through it too fast. Then did a cool handshake intro with the use of teaching some secret masonic handshakes. Then went on to play a word game 'what color is the fridge what do cows drink' but she answered water and not milk. I really did not expect this. I won't use this game next time. After that she's like 'we'll nice to meet you' and then I went away. What should I have done ?

I'm a newbie myself, but I guess I could try to help.

Starting with this "you talk to much" line. It could be both shittest or an IOD, guess you just need to give some cocky spontaneous response to this (yeah, I know it's not easy). It's definately a hard one.

This "loaded" response - also a cocky answer or a neg should do the trick. Remember - just have fun talking and joking with people

The third one - if your using routines ALWAYS be prepared for different answers. This one was easy. You could play it in several ways - C&F like "Whoa, smartass!" or just strait "hell, that's a good answer, you're in minority" or something like this. Then just change topic and continue your conversation.

Hope it helps

yeah i also forgot to neg the hb9 in the handshake intro 'eww your hands are sweaty' even if they are not

Just stare at her hand and sound alarmed and say "What is that!". She will be surprised and you just have to walk away. Basically you will end up winning and walking away with your pride.

in which scenario are you talking about ?

One time HB10 put hand in front of my face and
said 'you talk to much' and then turned away. that one

one important thing i've learned while gaming is to play the right way for the right people. Girls that i perceive to be stuck up or likely to try and shut me down get some hard negs. Remember a neg has a few specific purposes, and an important one is to show the girl that you're not afraid to be real around her, and that if she's rude you're going to be rude back. Simultaneously it makes her think you're not trying to pick her up. Which is important when trying to pick up stuck up 9's and 10's.

However, if a girl isn't stuck up, not likely to shut me down, and things start going well after the approach, i'm done negging. I go right into building report, and making her feel good with nlp.

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I have though, noticed some things. None are receptive at all, and the pretty ones are more likely to be easy to start to talk to, but give complicated shit tests, each time different.
I noticed HB <8 are depressed and don't smile, etc and they are not very friendly to engage in a conversation.

You analyze too much and think too little.

Have it ever occured to you that it might not have been a shit test at all? Maybe you do talk too much.

One of the good parts of being in field is that you learn, if you are willing to learn. Girls tell you how to play if you just remember that once in a while you have got to shut up and listen!

Ezo

These all seem to me to be big IODs not shit tests. Am I wrong there? And when the girl tells me by her body language and words to just go away because she's not interested I eject. Is that not the correct thing to do?

Yes she just didnt want to talk to you.

First and foremost, Getting blown off happens, and it happens more than most would like to admit.

I have some points here.

1. the chick that said she's loaded, probably was, because most don't state "i'm drunk" to strangers, unless, well, you are drunk.

2. I agree with ezo that you may talk too much, have you used the canned lines enough to know where the breaks are? Those openers you are using are quite long and laborous, you might try something a little more exciting.
I would try to acquire some forced IOI's before entering, and then just non-open and transition. Seems to be the most efficient- but if you are stuck on those openers, you really need to know how to say them effectively. If you say you have a friend with a box of photos, YOU REALLY HAVE TO CONVINCE HER THAT YOU HAVE A FRIEND!

3. NONE of those are DLV's, you made a mistake, and you will learn from that mistake.

BEST ADVICE, practice the lines in front of the mirror, NOT BREAKING EYE CONTACT, and learn where the pauses and responses go.

I was a telemarketer for a while and if i just ran on my scripts, people would hang up, I had to maliciously intrigue them and keep them talking.
(i hated that job, don't give me shit lol, but i learned a lot)

LAST THING, I feel like TD lol, If someone passes ur test or dhv, tell them you have something a little harder for her, and go into the 5 question game, or tell her she shouldn't have passes, shes a punk, nobody passes, or ask her if she likes psychology and tell her that was a psychological test.

Keep going out there man! Best luck.

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To continue the above reply.

A big part of PU is to recognize what remains to be done. You almost never start from scratch. She has got a mental image of who you are based on whatever. If your friends are there you dont need to push the social proof button. If she saw you kissing a girl you dont need preselection.

This is where you shut up and listen. She will tell you how to play. You can start learning to identify her fears and eliminate them. She will tell you if she considers your social circle a problem (like "are you here alone"). Listen first, then talk!

I have a couple of shit tests I'd like some help on.

I was talking with 3 girls. I was about to get a number close, but the dominant female of the group said I could only get one number, and I had to choose the prettiest one.

I wasn't sure what to say, and I knew giving them my honest answer would give them the upper hand, so I ended up just stammering and said that pretty for me involves more than just looks, and I didn't know them well enough yet. I'm sure there must be a more clever way to deal with this situation though.

the other shit test has been giving me a lot of trouble. I don't live in a western country, so it's fairly common for a conversation to go like this:

HB: Do you have a girlfriend?
Me: Nope.
HB: Why?!?!?

First of all, I reckon I could give a more smartass answer to the first question.

Secondly, the door is wide open for a clever response to the second question. But I can't seem to think of anything.

Any ideas?

haha

First is tough, may have to think about that one.

Second is easy,
Tyler Durden's 8 girlfriends routine is still brilliant and use it every time I am asked- haha makes me laugh just thinking about it.

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