After trying 3-4 times in last few days(saying Hi to girls from distance, commenting e.t.c.) I thought I have the basics right like say hi from close, kino, funny comments e.t.c. and decided to make my first real approach ever(where I thought that I will not leave my ground unless girl hits me with something or says something very harsh or scary).

Situation:
Two girls eating ice cream out side shop with 2-3 clubs in the neighborhood and friday night. Gave eye contact, mine one smiled and laughed. After a few minutes, approached her with my friend along. Conversation went like this.

Me: Are you guys done for the day?
Girls started laughing
Guy2: Is something wrong with us?
Me: Are we looking funny? Dude, you should have been clean shaven today.
........ Some talks..
My Girl: What do you guys do?
Me: We are boring engineers.
Other Girl: You look like those. laughing.
........ Some talks..
Dont remember entire thing but Girls kept laughing hard and I keep on kinoing with the girl on my side, tap on shoulders then hands on shoulders e.t.c.
........
My Girl: There are clubs around, you guys should have fun there.
Me: I want to have fun with you.
Other Girl: See this guys hands, rubbing sometimes like waiting to get what he wants.
Me: Joked and continued.. and some more talks.. Then I asked them for their number and they playfully rejected. But I continued. Some more talks.
My Girl: Playfully saying.. "Give a little space, stand back a little". (I was close so as to continue kioing but I guess I should have kinoed and stepped back and come back again instead of staying continuosly close). I did that.
Other Girl: You guys go to club, and talk to whoever gives you smile and get what you like or phone number.
Me: She smiled thats why we are here as well. Some more laughter.
Other Girl to My Girl: Are you interested?
My Girl with a pause: Not romantically interested.
Me: Immediately I took her hand lightly between my hands like romantic gesture and said. Is this what you are saying? I am not a romantic at all. We won't romance like this. We will hangout and just have fun. (I held her hand for 10-15 sec and there was no attempt to take the hand back so I thought its going good).
Some more talks. I flirting, my friend chipping in, girls playfully saying no sometimes to our verbal approaches. I noticed my friend is not keeping the other girl occupied, so I started engaging with both. Kinoing both but more with my girl.
Other Girl to my friend: Is he always like that?(About me)
Girls: Our ice creams have melted, we wanted to enjoy it. Some more talks..
Other Girl: You guys made our day. But you guys should go ahead.
Some more talks.
I noted that the other girl is now in control and we have tried enough for phone number, next day meeting e.t.c. So I thought now we should move on. I hand shaked with both of them and did fist shake after other girl asked for that but left.

Also, I noted my Girl was either laughing hard, or saying some things in a playfully manner, or had her mouth open like in a "awe" fashion. So I think Kino helped there but may be I could have been less desperate, less funny and more serious.

My assessment: Now it seems, we were more of funny rather than charming and attractive. Didn't connect like where are you guys from, what do you guys do? How do you guys know e.t.c. Our eye contact e.t.c. was on the lines of funny rather than seductive. We were not speaking slow because I have noted that to be funny, i need to speak a little fast and a little loud to be hearable. May be turned out desperate because we kept on asking for possibility of meet up, date, dinner, phone number e.t.c. once each but we were playful. Other guy was contributing a little verbally but no kinoing so other girl was free to take control. I need to be able to connect with multiple girls.

What do you guys think? Where else we could have improved?

Dude... I don't want to be harsh, but you did so many mistakes I don't really know where to start. Let's break your conversation up, step by step.

Me: Are you guys done for the day?
Girls started laughing


This is a hint that the girls are nervous and insecure. No reason to comment on that, but "guy2" obviously does that anyway (below). What you should rather do here is to confirm their feelings and build rapport, say something like "no reason to ber nervous".

Guy2: Is something wrong with us?

I don't know who "guy2" is, but I assume he is your friend. He assumes a negative here, which is the wrong attitude. Always assume positive things - the girls enjoy your presence. Remember that laughing is a release of pressure/tension.

Me: Are we looking funny? Dude, you should have been clean shaven today.

Here you make the same mistake. Where is your confidence?

........ Some talks..
My Girl: What do you guys do?
Me: We are boring engineers.


Boring!? Again, where is your confidence? You should think better about yourself! "We are awesome rocket scientists! Making the world go round".

Other Girl: You look like those. laughing.

This comment proves that you have just "demonstrated lower value" through your lack of confidence.

........ Some talks..
Dont remember entire thing but Girls kept laughing hard and I keep on kinoing with the girl on my side, tap on shoulders then hands on shoulders e.t.c.


Why did you kino? That is an IOI, an IOI the girls didn't deserve in that case, since they didn't respond well to your first... Well... Mistake! You should think more in terms "how much of my time, energy and effort does this girl deserve?".

My Girl: There are clubs around, you guys should have fun there.

Can it be more obvious than this? They ask you to leave. You have already lost.

Me: I want to have fun with you.

This screams NEEDY! You talk about what you want, not what you can offer them.

Other Girl: See this guys hands, rubbing sometimes like waiting to get what he wants.
Me: Joked and continued.. and some more talks.. Then I asked them for their number and they playfully rejected.

I would reject you too. Sorry to say that. You should never have asked for their numbers, that just makes it even more obvious what you want.

The problem with pickup is that the mere act of approaching puts your agenda in light. And having an agenda is the biggest no-no ever! If you know Mystery Method and have watched Mystery's old infield videos, you will see that his game is much about hiding that agenda, and keeping his distance in the beginning. Newer sources (like RSD) talk more about offering value as in "just having fun" - just giving the girls a good time as well.

In your case, you could have approached the girls with the following mentality:

You, from a little distance: "Hi girls, do you know where to go to have the most fun night ever!?"
They: Answer something.
You: "Ok, cool <fill in something appropriate here>. Are you interested in having the best time of your life? You could join us if you like."

No talk about phone numbers, no commitment, keep the distance both physically and mentally. Just offer something fun to the girls, offer some value.

Hmm. Thanks for the analysis which is useful. We should have stepped out the first time we sensed lower value. Still there are three things about which I would like to understand more.

First,
Me: Are we looking funny? Dude, you should have been clean shaven today.
[/i]Here you make the same mistake. Where is your confidence?[/i]
When I said this, I thought that would come out as self deprecating humor if done playfully which in turn helps in disqualify which is also helpful if done very early. Isn't that true?

Second,
You, from a little distance: "Hi girls, do you know where to go to have the most fun night ever!?"
They: Answer something.
I have noticed when talking to girls during day time, if I speak from a distance then I have mostly gotten negative reactions, puzzled, confused, scarred looks. But when I go little close, not in the face but around an arm distance, girls listen as I have their attention from the start. Also, sometimes it helps to start with arm tap or shoulder tap before even I say a word. Is that not a good thing? I agree that this communicates interest but if its habit/normal for a person to do that anyway(communicated through confidence), why would this give clear IOI. Won't it make them more comfortable and communicates that physical touching is okay in our interaction.

This is important for me to find out because these days whenever I talk to a girl, I do tapping stuff within first few seconds, then placing my hand on shoulders or touching them soon within 30 secs. May be this is what is blocking my progress?

Third,
You: "Ok, cool <fill in something appropriate here>. Are you interested in having the best time of your life? You could join us if you like.
Those girls were clearly eating their food and won't have joined. But I guess this would give us a fun topic to talk a bit more about. Is this the intention of this? Usually I haven't said anything that seems not landing anywhere yet to any girl.

Also saying most fun night, best time of your life, again and again without providing more funny content sounds too cocky. Isn't it? Just saying best night, most fun doesn't sound funny thats why I ask. I completely agree with cocky and funny but still don't have much experience with saying only cocky things.

Found my answer on self deprecating humor. Will keep looking for others.

9. DEMONSTRATING LOWER VALUE

Demonstrating Lower Value is dissing yourself. Man, it kills attraction. And self-deprecating humor only works when everyone is aware of your strengths. When we self-deprecate without people knowing our strengths, it’s not funny. Think well of yourself and speak well of yourself. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy, you’ll BECOME a man of Higher Value.