Hi all,

I've been reading up on pickup the last two months and feel like I'm progressing pretty well, considering I'm usually flying solo as I have nobody near me who's familiar with this culture. I've been pretty good with kiss closes on the same night of meeting, but none of the girls pick up their phones after! I was talking with a coworker (who's not familiar with pickup) and he gave me some advice that I think is pretty solid. He asked me how long after making out before I leave, and I said, "until the bar closes." So, he says "that's too long! you should leave immediately after 20 minutes of making out with her if you don't feel like you're going home with her that same night"

I thought about it, and it sounds like it makes a lot of sense! I think making out until the bar closes isn't kino escalating, but kino "plateauing" and the girl feels like it's going nowhere. Leaving a girl hanging on such a high note should increase her chances of picking up the phone, right? Or should I work on my kino escalating in hopes of a same day lay? What's the next step of kino escalating after making out?

If you have been making out for 20 minutes, Bro you need to bounce! WITH HER!

The next step is isolation. She's not going to fuck you in the club (rare).

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Yeah bro... You gotta sack up and pull. Have the logistics set up so you know where you are going and it makes it alot easier.