So, I've been on a couple of day 2 dates for the previous few weeks, and found myself having trouble getting a k close on day 2. The most often response was 'i don't do this on my first time'(meeting you) but that just means my mid game isn't tight enough. I'm running some patterns, Kino and comfort fluff talk. I mean yeah my game and my frame has to be tighter but I think I'm missing something out. Any ideas?

I initially thought it might be the lack of sexual tension or innuendos; are there any suggestions for sexual tension? Maybe like a push pull dynamic, omg yeah I definitely did not do the ioi iod one two..

also, the date location might've been done better. I bounced and isolated and talked but there was no activity we did together apart from talking..

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In my opinion, k-close on the second date is tougher than the first. The first you have the build-up of attraction, it's like a stock that's sky-rocketing. Regardless..

Seems to me like you need to make the opportunity, not just look for it. If you're a spontaneous kisser, do a lot of kino - playing pool, for example, works wonders. You're both constantly circling around a table and it gives you plenty of chances to touch her side as you walk by, or teach her how to shoot a cue. If you're looking for mid-date kiss, my favorite is as you're walking by each around the pool table, gently grab her by the side, pull her in, and just do it. There's no real time for thinking so you should get a smooth response.

If you're looking at doing a k-close at the end of the night, just keep the tension. Maintain eye contact as she fumbles with her keys and lean your 80% in. If you're worried about her pushing you away, she might. It's reality. But don't let it trip you up - no one shoots 100%

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When i said day 2 I meant like the first time I meet the girl after the approach and # close which is a 5-10 min interaction. Thanks ill have to work on spontaneous kissing lol. Gotta feel comfortable with girls quicker

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Yea, "D2" actually means your first date. And let's be honest, many girls, especially good girls, don't kiss on the first date. If she really likes you she might give you a peck at the conclusion of the night, but that's about it. I can tell whether a girl is the type to put out on a first date after talking to her for about 5 minutes.

Also, if the girl is telling you "I don't do this on the first date" then you are doing something wrong. You should already know if she is the kissing type and you shouldn't be asking her to kiss her or trying to kiss her without getting some ioi's first. You are displaying to much dependence on a physical encounter and coming across as needy.

When I detect that the girl is going to be uptight and not kiss, I don't even try to escalate. I act oblivious to any physical contact like I'm sitting there having dinner with my aunt who's a nun. The girl's obviously made up her mind that she doesn't want to kiss you so you're better off pursuing some other means of getting her to like you. Instead of trying to be sexual, try to be fun, smart, humorous, intriguing, etc. Then be patient and wait until the next date to parlay that attraction into something physical and sexual.

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Hmm, I know what you mean, and I can definitely differentiate between an uptight girl and a girl who appears to be the type who'll kiss on D2. Also, I dont just randomly buzz off an attempt at a k-close--theres definitely ioi's coming from her--hand holding, body touching here and there without any resistance.

What I'm talking about I think is some kind of last minute resistance? I'd say its kinda like LMR but I personally find it ridiculous that I have to contend with ASD/LMR for a kclose. What I also didnt mention in the first post is that each time I fail I typically act disinterested for a bit, talk, comfort, more kino and then try again later. In the 3 dates I had in mind I tried twice and both times I got rejected lol. I dont think I'm conveying a needy attitude but I'll definitely look into it.

I've always found that even if a girl is super apprehensive and nervous when we first meet, a few hours into the date I successfully get her to loosen up and have some kino escalation going. This is always what happens up till the kclose tries. In 2/3 of the cases even after the failed k close they'd be really comfortable with touching so -.- what am i doing wrong!!!?!

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I'd be interested in what you're saying during the date, and the sort of kino you're escalating. You say body touching and hand holding - what sort of body touching, and is the hand holding playful or what?

I'll give you a more in depth answer if you get back to me on that above, but just a general point about kiss closing during a date - whilst there is no "best time", there are good times and bad times. It's hard to give examples really, as a lot of it is off vibe. But I tend to find driving a girl home is a great help. Start to say bye, and if she lingers around not getting out of the car, then you can usually be sure she's waiting for a kiss.