Hi Everyone

My general background:
22 Year Old Male, from the UK
Eat healthy, Gym x4 a week, Decent build, Average looks
Amazing family, friends, house, car, job
Overall i currently feel i have everything

What do I lack? - constant / occasional contact with girls

I can quite easily Approach girls when I want too, however my problem is my Mid-Game and then leading into a minimum of a Number close. Even if I can acquire numbers, that will put me on my next level and then I can worry about what happens after from there

Due to work, gym, and other activites, the only time really i get to have any sort of contact with girls is when I am out with my friends, social drinking in bars, pubs, and clubs 2-3 times a week. Rarely go shopping all walking out on the streets, so for me this is where my targets lie


I went out clubbing with two friends last night. I feel I had the potential of obtaining anywhere between 4-7 numbers, but im Lost on my Mid-Game. Any advice on how I could have escalated on the following, would be appriciated. These were all at the same club, with a few different rooms

1) At a bar. Quite music. Talking levels ok. Waiting to be served
HB8 approaches, pushes slightly in front of me (queue jump). Bartender attempts to serve her first, she politely states that i was in front. I ask for my drink

Me: 'Thanks for that'
HB8: 'Thats okay' (whilst smiling at me. She turns away)
Me: 'I thought you were going to push in for a second then' (playful smiling)
HB8: 'No, No of course not' (smiling at me, still looking for longer than last time, turns away)

I continue to wait for another 30 seconds, my drinks arrive, i walk away. To me my approaching was spot on, but i didnt know what to say. During the time of talking, stopping and waiting for my drinks, there could have easily been some more convo thrown in there. But i found my self lost


2) On the dancefloor. Music loud. Hard to talk. Dancing with my friends. Spot HB7 looking at me. I continue to look back. Everynow and then we continue to look at each other. This was my fault, as i failed to make any sort of move. However, HB9 dancing near with one of her friends, now moves onto >>

3) Extremley HOT HB9, that everyone has been staring at is dancing near us. I watch for a moment. I move directly over to her, I say into her ear 'Your dancing is okay, but it could be better' (playful). She takes one step backwards, and looks at me. She then moves into the middle of the dancefloor, still looking at me, and dances in front of everybody so everyone could see her. I standing there looking at her, giving her the hmmm its still only okay dancing signals / body impression. Basically i felt like she was trying to qualify for me, as I was the only person to neg her, where as everybody else was doing nothing. I then approached her again, i said 'No, no you dance like this'. I took her hand, and twirled her round a couple of times, we were both laughing, it was playful/fun. I then commited to a half twirl and pulled her into me, so she was facing away from me, in an attempt to get closer. Immeditely she said 'noooooooo' and backed off. Im sure whether my attempt to bring her in was too AFC? I didnt no what to do, and instead ignore her and carried on dancing having fun

4) In the smoking area. No Music. Best place to talk to any girls during the night. Approach 2 girls, ask for a lighter. They say they have not got one, but are currently have cigarettes in there hands. I ask to light of their cigarette, one agrees, I light off it, i hand it back. For some reason I then asked if this was a private girl conversation, one says 'sorry yeah it is' i reply okay, move away and stand on my own. Im guessing i should have said something better, but again approach was done, and didnt have a clue with what to say

5) Still in smoking area, standing alone. 4 HB8's stand by me. 3 of them are wearing costumes, 1 is not. I walked directly up to them
Me: I like your costumes!!!
Girls: Thanks!
At this point i now have the attention of all 4 HB8's. All looking at me, all smiling
All stopped what they were doing, to give their attention to me
Me: So how comes your the only one without a costume?
HB8: Because i didnt want to look like my friend
(her friend was wearing a mask that is a well known character on a reality tv show, that can be classed as a bit of an idiot)
Me: Makes sense to me! (award her with a High 5)
All still looking at me....and now Im lost. Ive approached 4 girls, appeared like an Alpha, and im stuck! 2 of the 4 girls then see another male friend, and disappear. I am now left with 2 HB8's. 1 of the HB8's is continously look at me, whilst the other is not. I attempt to throw in some normal conversation. Have you been here before? Are you from around here? The interested HB8 also asked me where i was from. I know that when they are the ones asking the question, there is some interest there. From this point however, again I am now stuck. I have built no tension, there is no touching, there is nothing going on. I then see an old school friend who i havnt seen for 6 years, and thought this was my chance to escape (mid game got the better of me). I walked away and by the time I had finished talking to my friend, the girls had gone



Overall my point is, I can approach quite easy, I have no problem with this. Above are just examples, all which are completely different approaches, that come off playful and alpha, but then lead into ZERO midgame/number close

I feel as if i need 2-3 topic starters, or builders to help me escalate the situations, get them intimate, and just simply number close. What i achieved last night of the above approaches, made me more than happy, as I never used to be able to approach, but now the next step is weighing me down

Suggestions?

Cheers
Joe

You have pretty much the right idea and understanding of order and process which is better then most new people on here.

Your issue is the attraction stage which is harder then the approach and intro which you seem ok at. I struggled with this for a very long time, what I found is the best way to consistently attempt to build attraction is to have material available to use. I would work through a few short dhv routines that you are comfortable with, ring true, and you can chain. Then calibrate from there with what you are comfortable with between routines/scripts. Your next step is to make a habit of using them as much as possible instead of going "natural" which means tongue-tied or into an unattractive speech holding pattern. Its a habit you should form.

Alright I get you, I too was stuck on that part your on. I'm gonna show you everything I learned about fixing your Mid-Game, I hope it helps. This is your problem right now, you got the appetizer down, and you know what to expect for your desert.. but the only thing your missing now is the most important part, the mash potato's, the meat, hell the whole main course must be foggy for you. Actually a lot of the time learning game can look a lot like this (lol I call this "The Pick-Up Owl"): http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/S ... kUpOwl.jpg

Okay now I read your stuff, most of the shit I'ma tell you I got from PUA's, and natural gamers alike. Now your problem is that you open up a set and.. BLAM!
Nothing, the problem is that your material is on empty. You actually could have took that interaction some where, luckily you can fix this.

I saw a bunch of things you can improve on, and to help you I'll break down somethings you'll need or missed. 1st thing I saw was your opener, you need to find some better ones cause bro, remember those are HBs, meaning a bunch of AFCs have came up to them with those same old "Situational Openers" you need to start thinking out of the box. The way I see it is you get some canned stuff for practice, as training wheels, till you don't need them anymore. You should use "Female Opinion Openers" for now, I'll give you one of mine that you can use (its from a PUA):

Female Opinion Opener:
"Hi, can I get your female opinion on something? My friend was thinking of getting two dogs and naming them either Milli & Vanilli or Salt 'n' Pepper what do you think he should do?"

To start, there's 2 things that are KEY to know (always do):
--"Observe the battlefield"-- Which I'll mention later &
--Ditch plans. Learn tactics-- This is always good to remember because you really don't wanna plan out everything brick by brick (cause nothing ever goes exactly as planned) but you do want to have at least a general idea of what your gonna do, and most importantly always know your GOAL.

See like you in the heat of the moment I would forget my GOAL. Lets say I wanna seduce her, I'll need her Number right? so focus on the number, & how to get there. (Step by step)

Okay now here's how to fix your problem, you need material (stuff to say) like DHV but more importantly you need to --> "Routine Stack"

_________________

Next, your interactions just going dead like that was another problem I noticed you were having, Neil Strauss calls this the VOID and you've been letting it happen, this is what he said about it:

"THE VOID will happen if you let it happen. Your job
as a Pick Up Artist is to KEEP THE CONVERSATION
INTERESTING. And that means that you have 3 problems:
1st you cannot afford to enter THE VOID of not talk-
ing, because it will lower your value, destroying attra-
ction.
2nd you CAN'T talk about BORING STUFF (avoid talking
about your job, the weather, the party, etc).
3rd you can't let her attention slip away, even for a
moment, or you lose her.
The solution to this is keeping an emergency DHV Routine
in reserve. When they feel the VOID about to happen...
BOOM!...the reserve DHV is used to keep you from looking
BORING and LOW VALUE. It saves the day."

Bam! But wait there's more... I could have just left you there telling you the Don'ts, but now I'm going to tell you some of the Do's.

I wanna help you with your material. Now you can ride this stuff till the hook point were you can start your attraction and such. Okay on to some homework, DHVing, you'll have to research and learn how to perfect some of your best life story's, turning them into some good ass "Canned Material".

*IMPORTANT*
There is also 2 other things you can do for mid-game, and with what I'm about to say you will NEVER run out of things to say.

This brings me to the 2nd one of my keys "observing the battle field". You'll now have a bunch of things to say, better than "Have you been here before? Are you from around here?" see with your new material, topics, & routine stacking pick up will turn into this really fast paste, elaborate "GAME" of "chess" where you'll have to figure out when to say what, where, and all by "observing the battlefield"

Now the 2 things

1) The H.O.T. Technique https://www.dropbox.com/s/9lf84xu4c2aad ... hnique.pdf
This will teach you how keep a single conversation ever flowing.

2) This is a tip by PUA Jon Sinn, a tip so simple it'll make you wanna slap your self: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dtkdsi0skh6ke ... 20Tip.docx

And Lastly the thing I wanna point out is, How you weren't applying Kino from the very beginning! Bad move cause later on when you try something, its gonna be weird since you didn't present your self as a touchy feely guy in the beginning, but this video from PUA Mystery'll solve that. -WATCH ALL THE PARTS-

YouTube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csnQWDPD9Ps

And that is all, I wish you Good Luck in learning the Game

_________________

Thanks very much guys, youve been a great help

After taking everything in, i went out last night to a bar and a couple of clubs, and the amount of random sets of girls i opened to was far more than usual compared to how i was a year ago. I really think my confidence is building daily, just by taking advice from other PUA members. Being able to speak to women is also boosting my friendship with all my male piers, as they are noticing myself just walking away from our group, approaching sets of women and showing that i have the confidence to talk to anyone. They kept on asking me, who was that? who were they? And replying with the words complete stranger, just shocks and baffles them as no one in our group really has the confidence to walk up to women and spark a conversation


Anyway, enough of that. One of the clubs I went to last night, lead me approaching 2 girls on the dance floor. Used kino straight from the offset. Bumped into them a few times over the course of an hour, more just general kino, no escalating.

We were leaving to go to another club. I went straight up to one of the girls, a nice blonde HB, threw her a neg - your dancing is okay, but could be better. As she was laughing i put my hand out, she took it, twirled her a couple of times. Said to her theres something about you i like, but im not sure quite what. Youve got a good vibe about you, im leaving now, give me your number il call you. Took out my phone, gave it straight to her, asked her name, she put her number straight in, even added it to my phonebook and saved her name. I put my arm round her and said i would call her

Number closed. First one!
Felt chuffed, forgot about her for the rest of the night and carried on having fun

Now i need the next stage. Personally in my head i think i should leave it another day, call her, ask her where abouts shes from, and based on that arrange a date straight off. I dont actually no if the number even works, but really im not that bothered, if i get something out of it then good, if not, carry on, theres plenty more girls

Is this the best way??? CALL rather than text?

Thanks
Joe

I would text, if you call she likely wont answer and your message wont be good unless you know how to use callback humor etc. If she does answer then there are other pitfalls.

You are doing everything right but at this stage in your evolution just realize that most of these numbers are going to be dead ends, especially as a flash number close at a club. Dont let that discourage you, juts keep getting approaching, opening, and number closing. The next step will be creating more of an attraction/connection for better number closes, insta-dates, and SNL/SDL. But from where you are at just keep up the approaching and closing, just dont be surprised that most of these numbers wont go anywhere, that's juts part of the game at this point.

Ok, you still have some issues that need to be addressed. You learned a little more, which is good, but you are still trying to sprint for the finish. You wanted to bipass the middle game and just go from your opener, brief rapport building, to closing. With not much in the way of attraction or seduction. Now you have a seven digit number in a cellphone. What's that gonna' do? Most number closes don't amount to much, especially if they are hastily obtained. Now you are going to put all your eggs into one basket, hoping that you get a date after texting her, and it may or may not work out.

What you need to do is keep opening sets and stay in them LONGER. Work on building attraction and rapport. I'd recommend trying to kiss close girls before number closing them, that way you at least know you have built attraction and she's more likely to remember you and respond to your texts.

_________________
“Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!” ~Audrey Hepburn

Well Understood. Feedback is appriciated

Your right, I text but no reply. Im really looking forward to the next time im out

Ive been reading and doing alot of research on what to say and do next time i approach a set, will give it a go. Its not like im even going to meet the people i approach again even if it does go wrong

Will def be progressing more, next bar im at, im going straight in with more Mid-game and convo, DHV , Negs etc.

Will update in a few weeks, once i have more experimenting with this

Cheers
Joe

Thats exactly right, and eventually you will likely come to realize, even if you hump and dump half these chicks and get rejections from the other half, its not really any kind of big deal.

(Links Update)

1) The H.O.T. Technique: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fvnwvzssr34m ... 20Tip.docx

2) PUA Jon Sinn Tip: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fvnwvzssr34m ... hnique.pdf

_________________