Okay guys here's a situation I am in and need your advice on how to escalate and move on.. Am by no means any expert on picking up girls, hence why I need your helpful advice!

I've met this girl about a year back when she was over for a few months studying abroad (originally from my country) but back then I didnt have the chance to do anything as her time of stay was too short, however I managed to get her contact details and all, knowing that she will return next year (now).

Back then she used to have a boyfriend (not that i really cared as she was giving IOI), but nevertheless I kept contact every now and again so when she returned we're not 'total strangers'. We also stumbled across one another once or twice briefly when I was back in my country.

Anyhow, I've been teasing her like hell (even over texts, which she is slightly complaining about too! too much tease ? saying that no one teases her. She'se easily an HB9), building some comfort , even trying to build some sexual tension, innuedo, etc.. (In the meanwhile she broke up with her bf about 6-7 months ago). I didn't think that teasing , being c&f and building comfort would work over texting , but to my suprise it seems it worked. I tried to also make sure I dont drop in the friend zone, so hopefully that worked..

We met today over for a coffee at uni while waiting for her friends, with me contuing to tease , receive ioi, misinterpret what she was saying and starting some light kino and all that. As a matter of fact I felt that she was feeling very comfortable around me, although I understand she's being approached all the time and feels comfortable around men as all HB9s are. Now am not 100% if she was giving ioi out or if she does that to every man, but certainly signs were there (at least ioi i usually pick up form other chicks). And then her friends came over so i couldnt continue doing my thing..

Also, dont know if this matters or not, but she -fb raped- me while I was at the toilet changing my status to -her name (and a heart which forum seems to eff up when adding)- ..

Now this is where you guys come into play and need your help on how to escalate.

Sorry for the long read and lousy english! Appreciate your help in advance!

anyone? please

Sounds to me like you are doing a great job. You just need to take the escalation to the next level. If you watch Gambler's stealth seduction he talks about a scale for escalating. with 0 being not sexual at all and 100 being very sexual. Sounds like you have taken the first few steps out with the light kino. Now slightly build it up. If she is in school help her study. Get close to her. Let your legs touch. Just subtly keep bumping up the sexuality. If you do it subtly and notice she isnt trying to stop you keep going. If you notice when you scoot in so your legs are touching she scoots away a little bit start over. Bring the scale down and work it back up.

i hope that advice would help you but if you are still stuck or think that advice was not good enough to solve your issue. Let me know and i would give you some advanced stuff

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more advice would never harm!

as to what jstunna said, unfortunately I am not at the same uni, but am trying to make sure we meet more than text now that she's in reach.

She was earlier over at my place with a friend of hers (!#@$ her friends, messing up everything), done some kino, as much as I could.. she even brushes her freakin boobs against my arms! (unintetionally or not, i got no idea) but here's what put me off.. her friend was always present if that makes any diff..

we have a phrase as a joke that goes like "ohh come on your gay", which is something along the lines, "shut up" (playful) and my standard reply is "lets go to place xx and i'll show you who's gay" and she replied with "am like a sister to you"..

no idea how I should interpret that..

my gaming style is damm fluent and aggressive. I willingly over-escalate many times, i always wana test the waters and i love to break boundries and rules. While escalating i break their comfort zone hard sometimes and then put them righ back in. A snapshot for my talk with an hb10 today morning
me."when we would have sex it would be so hot that the pant would melt off the wall(verbal escalation, broke comfort)"
her."omg"
me."oh! What the fuck? Look what you made me think. You are soooo bad. Get away (released the pressure caused by my escalation, built comfort again. And i did it with a smile and slighty punching her away from me)"
ok am gonna share one more thing that i often do.
"escalate and blame it on the hb"
examples
"oh my God! Your eyes! I am afraid i might get naughty"
"wow! The dress you are wearing makes me think of wild thoughts. Change it"
"looking at her lips. I just got a naughty thought. Or i cnt tell you what i just thought"
you got the point? And if you ever feel that you have over escalated, you have the release to take things back to normal. And remember to make it fun and playful when you are doing it.
Ok now the gay joke.
You can take it both as ioi and shit test. Call it shit-testing-ioi
how do you respond?
You can respond it three different ways
1.treat it as a shit test
u can reply with,"that was weird"
2. Treat it as an ioi
"the way you say this just make me think.... Omg(laughing) i can't tell you this. You are such a dork (laughing)
3. Use it to escalate physically
grab her into your arms saying,"i were, (look into her eyes) then, (make your grip even strong) (pause) you know i am saying? (Pause) actually neva mind (push her away). And its really going to mess with her head hard. Or you can come up with your variations.
I hope that helps
one more advice. Learn how to introduce confusion in your game. Confusion is an emotion that just feels like attraction to girls. And it also does many other great thing.
Didnt i get too heavy here? Lol
feel free to say or ask anything

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Great stuff there, which I apparently had been doing inadvertedly maybe not as aggressive and often, but I'll interpet that into my game plan. As for the gay thing, if her friend wasnt present I would easily get involved physically as per 3). What I did is I didn't even respond to it.

And now for the confusion part that. Could you please elaborate on that?

On a sidenote, I've been also talking, but not gaming, an HB6 bff of hers that I could use to my advantage. Any tips on how to use her to mess up the HB9s mind would be great!

you can use that hb6 to build a jealousy plotline. How do you do it? Simple, tell her honestly that you want to make a girl jealous and you need her help. That's it.
Now if you want to fuck this hb6 also then don't get her into hb9 issure. In the long run, they gonna find out the truth.
And now for the confusion thing. That is caused by
leaving sentences uncomplited (open loops)
alternating between hot and cold behaviour.
Saying some thing as if you are dao serious and the next second making fun of it.
I hope you got the point.
It gets the girl drilled into thinking about you and trying to find the answers so that she could get rid of her confusion and by doing that she is investing in you and by investing she is getting attached to you.
Plus if you have somethings (conversationel topics) that you left before completing them or unexplained, then you are giving her something that would keep her thinking about you even when you are not with her.
An example would be
"hey, i thought of a nick for you and i am sure that would perfectly suit you"
she. "tell me"
you."comon, dont make hurry. I am not gonna tell you that right now as i still want to think about it a bit. Ummm, may be next time"
then no matter how much she asks or whatever she does, dont tell her that day.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any question

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Good stuff, love the confusion thing. Now about the HB6, she's her BFF so anything I say to her the HB6 will probably go say the HB9, so being 'honest' of wanting to make the HB9 jealous wouldnt work. It would have to be done more subtle to make her jealous using the HB6.. (I don't mind banging the HB6 either, but not my purpose SPAM!)

dont say anything to hb6. Show her. Do you have hb9 fb? Show her how desireable you are to other girls. Hb6? Show her too. Remember the number one rule of dhv, "never say anything directly. Let it be displayed or if you have to say, say it indirectly"
and the most important thing is your behaviour.
How would you behave if you were sure that you gonna get this girl?
How would you behave if you were a super start?
How would you behave if you knew that you are a chick magnent?
Got the answers? Behave like that. Fake it till you make it.
Things to be careful about
1. Dont let hb6 know that you desire hb9.(it got two meanings)
2. Dont talk bad about hb9 infront of hb6.
3. Dont tell hb6 sex about your current g.f (if you have)
4. Whenever the topic of hb9 comes up, dont get all excited. Treat it as normal
things that you can do
1. You can set the qualifying at hb9 by using hb6. "what's the most special thing about your friend?" "what does she do in spare time? Does she do something fun or is she boring?" you got the point? She would convey your frame to her.
2. Game her like anyother girl. Whenever you interact with her. Build attraction, qualify etc. You got it? Think about it like this
what do i need to get a girl in bed? I need to build attraction, i need to qualify her, i need to have build comfort and connection and so on depending upon your game plan.
Ok then. Here is what you need to ask yourself.
Do i have attraction?
Do i have comfort?
Did i qualify?
What else do i need to do or have?
Now just follow it whenever you interact with her, keep completing the seduction steps.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any questions ut your current g.f (if you have)
4. Whenever the topic of hb9 comes up, dont get all excited. Treat it as normal
things that you can do
1. You can set the qualifying at hb9 by using hb6. "what's the most special thing about your friend?" "what does she do in spare time? Does she do something fun or is she boring?" you got the point? She would convey your frame to her.
2. Game her like anyother girl. Whenever you interact with her. Build attraction, qualify etc. You got it? Think about it like this
what do i need to get a girl in bed? I need to build attraction, i need to qualify her, i need to have build comfort and connection and so on depending upon your game plan.
Ok then. Here is what you need to ask yourself.
Do i have attraction?
Do i have comfort?
Did i qualify?
What else do i need to do or have?
Now just follow it whenever you interact with her, keep completing the seduction steps.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any questions.

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sorry for the 'double writting error' duno why when i post using my mobile, this error automatically happens. I hope you got my points

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Great advice, seems am on the right track on managing the two girls.. I didn't quite get the " You can set the qualifying at hb9 by using hb6. "what's the most special thing about your friend?" "what does she do in spare time? Does she do something fun or is she boring?" you got the point? She would convey your frame to her." part. You're saying I should ask the HB6 stuff about HB9 or the other way around?


I know for a fact they talk alot (as do all girls) and I know for a fact that the HB9 knows am talking to her friend. What also sparked my interest, was that while she was over yesterday her friend sent us both a text about a uni issue she had and I could see that the HB9 was jealous. She even responded with a "why would she send YOU that msg?"

So what am planning to do, is maybe become a tad more playful with her friend (as she's showing me ioi as well and could take it) and introduce some more jealousy in the situation, keep up the Kino and make it more sexual (if possible) whenever we meet. I dont know how often I should plan on arranging meetings however, need your help on this. What do you think about this?

Also, I usually dont initiate conversation over txts with the HB9 (usually its 30-70), should I keep that up, or should I try initiate conversation more often? More generally how often should we 'talk' in order to have the right balance of not dropping in the friend-zone and keeping her interested..

Also, the HB6 is more of a shy person, so how often should I try initiate contact with her?

And one last thing, i've noticed quite a few times she mentions 'how hot that guy in the tube was' and stuff like that and also brings up my AFC friend quite often (I guess they talk alot, being his usual AFC seld and all). How would you interpret that?

Thanks for the advice!

try to create jealousy using hb6 by showing interest in hb9?
Only if hb9 rejects your moves and advances. If she doesn't, then don't.
Meeting plans?
If you want to make her a fuck buddy then once in a week. And if you want something special then
making the meeting seems natural, you can meet as many times as you want. See the difference below
"hey lets go out clubbing toni8"
"hey m going out to the blah blah club toni8 with my friends, i heard its amazing. You wouldnt want to miss it"
next example
"lets go for the icecream today"
"hey i have to go to market for buying some stuff. Why dnt you come and help me out? And if you behave good , may be we can have icecream together"
did you notice the differnce? One the one hand you are inviting them that we can call a date thus building pressure and on the other hand you are inviting them for something that you gonna do regardless of whether they come or not thus making it no big deal.
For me three meetings a week would be perfect for a relation initially.
Conversation over text?
Ofcourse do it. Use your texts to imply you being busy guy. A technique i use is that i keep the girl entire day with me using text, i would tell them to wait because i am gonna blah blah and them after some hours i would text them, chat for a while and again put them to wait for something that i am gonna do. Thus building more comfort and conveying my attractive life style.
Hot guy in the tub?
That might be an indicator that you are not being hot enough and making advances on her.
I hope that helps. Feel free to ask anything

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Got your pointers there! What I meant for the jealousy part is to USE HB6 to MAKE HB9 jealous..

i adviced about "making hb9 jealous by using hb6" just misplaced the words by mistake. Lots of stuff to do, you know

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