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After having hundreds of numbers, I still am befuddled. My game has only gotten better and better throughout the years, yet time and time again I am wondering why: My openers are great, I build attraction and rapport, I give a false time constraint, then I close with a number. But when I text the following day or 2 days later, I get no reply... This happens almost 70% of the time. I normally try texting them one more time either a day or 2 later, but if they haven't replied by then, then I just pretend I never got a phone number to begin with and move on. Your opinion about this?
You need to spend some more time in the "comfort building" stage then.

If you don't like talking with women for an extended period, or they don't feel as comfortable with you afterwards, then you won't get any feedback on the numbers.

Creating attraction is fine, but attraction is very volatile. It can be gone, as soon as it came in the first place. So, spend a bit more time in the "basic rapport and establishing a comfort level" part of your game. Look up some routines like The Cube, Palm Reading, Cold Reading etc.

Something more than the face value.

I have a bit of a Speed Seduction background. Ross Jeffries calls it the Four Doorways into her mind. Now, while I don't really want to share that info, for it may be misinterpreted and misused.

Let's say that one of the most important ways is that asking a woman questions that require her to access the core level of her identify in order to answer. Stuff which can get her to elicit values. Stuff which makes her think before she can answer you.

If you're just in there till you get her number, how are you separating yourself from your competition?

Be different.
Hey,

This makes a lot of sense and you're right; I do need to work on my comfort stage more. I suppose I don't do enough to get her into a comfortable conversation. The cube may be a little excessive, but maybe I'll give it a shot. Any other comfort building techniques you got up your sleeve?

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Don, It looks as if your a master and text game so i would appreciate it if you gave a critique and some advice:

Got a girl's number Thursday ( Should of got laid as she basically asked me to go home with her... "Your so cute, i want to take you home" then kept holding my hand) I was being a pussy AFC About it.

So we exchange Numbers.

I text her the next day:

Me: Is my microwave meal done yet?.... Im getting Hungry. ( She did a air microwave dance, we joked about it on the night)

Her: (2-3 hours later) Haha!! not quite i'd say give it a few more minutes before it's done!! :)

I didn't respond that day, i didn't think there was need to. The next Day:

Me: I am luring girls to my house with sweets, which do you prefer? Skittles or M&M's ?? ;)

Her: oohh man, I'm more of a "Twiglets" kind of girl :D

Me: Twiglets!?! Aren't they crisps ******?..... As much as it hurts to say i don't think we can be dancing partners anymore! :(

Her: Indeed they are! :L .. That's why i sai it!! Oohhhh really?.....

Me: (I originally think i fucked up here but in retrospect i think the twiglet was a little shit test/ Challenge, and i failed.....) Do you not like sweets?!? Good job i didn't pull out the skittles Thursday night then!!

She hasn't replied. About 4 hours now ( i'm not needy, and i understand some girls just don't respond i just wanted to ask you this while it's fresh in my mind)


I think i messed up with the Twiglet thing, then with the last text, it just sounds like a weirdo would send.... :L

How should i proceed if she doesn't respond? Just drop her??

Cheers Don.
Actually you didn't fail at the "Twiglet" shit test, you just handled the "Oohhhh really?....." comment wrong.

That was an opportunity to tease her a bit, maybe do some disqualification. It's ill-advised to be harping on and on about the same one topic. Eventually, the other person gets bored and leaves. So did she.

Also, if 4 hours and no reply is bothering you so much, you need to re-evaluate your attachment levels with respect to women.

If she doesn't reply, just try to start a new conversation the next day. And keep dictating the conversation by changing topics.

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Setting, coffee shop, late only me and my 2 buddies on a table and a girl on a remote corner, everyone else has left.
I go up to her, opened her, sat down, got a few IOIs, she started qualifing herself then
Me: hey we should go bowling on thursday, what's ur phone number.
HB: so and so, not that (she made sure I got it right)
Me: I will call so, freespirit (she told me that she is). I will call you so that you would have mine
HB: text me so that I would know who is it
Me: Ok, I will, have to go join the guys now

After she left, I messaged her
Me: Hey, freespirit. That's the veterinarian.
her: you're still there ?
Me: Well, I left shortly after you did. It's not as much fun there without your radiant smile
her: Lol. Awe

Next day @ night
Messaged her: I just got out of a Salsa dance, that was fun. We should definitely go there some time.
She never answered back. Where did I go wrong ?
Well, this makes no sense.

Got her number, well and good. What kind of conversation starter was inviting her to a dancing place with you, without any knowledge of her comfort equation with yourself or how she would feel about such a thing when ,let's face it, she has just met you.

Always keep the initial part of the texting shallow conversation, then move into deeper topics and then, when you feel that there is an easy rapport and a set level of comfort between you and her, ask her out.

That's how this process goes. So, don't jump the steps. Be patient.

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AW man, i feel like such a fool for making this post already..



In summary, I met a girl at a party, she shows every ounce of interest in me.

Then when it comes to texting, she uses a lot of "hahaha's lols and "thats funny's" yet doesn't truly carry the conversation. When I pretend Im going to leave, she tells me to stay and talk to her.

yet she replies every 30 minutes / 1 hour with one worded "lols" and "hahahas"

??? I dont text her for a few days then she wil text me to start a conversation, in which I will reply, and in which she will simply just go "hahaha" or "lols"
Well, why don't you call her?

I don't think she would take that much amount of silence and laughter and LOLs in a voice conversation.

Another thing, would be to set a more interesting tone of texting, so out goes the general chit-chat, in comes the sexual bantering, innuendos and outright flirting.

High risks, high rewards.

Also, if you are doing something, do it all the way. Not half-way, not almost there, do it all the way.

Then, see how much she answers with "lols" and "hahahhahha" when you're describing how much you'd like to make her feel sensations like no other man before you has.

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So there is this girl I´ve been seeing the last two weeks and we have very good connection. We wen´t to seperate parties last night (new years eve). At my party I made out with two girls and then fucked someone the girl I´m dating know.

I´m not sure how much she knows, but I don´t believe I did anything wrong so I won´t apologize.

Here´s our chat from today, day after newyears eve:

me: "can we meet tomorrow?
Well, that's one line.

I cannot give you anything for one line of text without any reply.

And why apologize? You weren't exclusive with her, were you?

If not, then it's really not her place to be offended by when you are sleeping around with other women.

But, here's a tip. Keep these things quiet next time. Be more aware.

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hey Don I have been after this girl for basically the whole year. on christmas eve we went out clubbing I left her for my mates and when I got back to her she was drunk and getting chatted up by 2 guys so this made me mad we had an arguement the next day and never talked all week then she text me this on new years eve.
"have a safe journey to edinburgh Dirty and have fun XXXX"
now what does that even mean?! does she want to give us another chance? is she just being freindly?
I just dont know how to read it
thanks for your help
That's a lot of insecurity there.

First, you leave the girl whom you've been after all this time, for your friends. And then, you expect her to just be alone and sip her drink while you're having a ball with your friends? What's with the double standards?

On top of that, arguing with her for this seems childish and frankly, it must've turned her off as some level.

Her text is nothing more than what it is. She's wishing you a safe journey. Now, you can use this opportunity to apologize for your past behavior and try to rebuild the lost ground. It's what I would do.

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I always have the problem of a girl that stops talking randomly. example:

Me:
Did you do much for new years then?

Girl:
Umm I had a party and sleepover last night :3

Me:
I did the same :-D had like 15 people over at my house :-)

Girl:
Awesome :P
You get smashed? Haha

Me:
Yea, got my first hangover too haha, great night :-D what bout you?


conversation ended there, she didnt reply, this is the second time that shes done this and it confuses me. i mean why ask a question and then not bother replying to the answer?

By the way this is messaging over an internet dating site, basically what happend after that was that she went offline.

EDIT: she did reply later on, an hour and a half later on, another question is seeing as she takes so long to reply, am i wrong to reply to her instantly? as in should i wait a little while before replying?
Not really.

She is obviously in a position of abundance and as such, is not too much into you or your conversation. Her stock replies give nothing away except an air of politeness. And your questions are basic ones at best.

Separating yourself from the status quo is most important. The general impression of a man on a dating site is that he cannot cut in the real world. So, you need to rise above that. Go for a bit more direct conversations and indulge in some outright flirting with a sexual vibe.

Again, if she is taking her sweet time to reply, you really shouldn't care. Why? Because you should have something better to do than to wait for her next message.

Also, doesn't the said site not provide a "chat" function? That generally guarantees quicker replies.

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Sup Don,

Glad to see you're back in your usual groove.So I've gotten a lot further along since I last posted in this thread. Getting solid numbers, solid interactions with people. I have two texting situations going on that I'd like you to weigh in on.

Just recently went to a party, didn't know many people, and really had a good time. Despite an awful guy/girl ratio (probably 4 available girls for 25 guys), I enjoyed myself, vibed with each girl individually, and got along very well with two of them. Unfortunately the more attractive had a boyfriend, but I was direct and honest with the other and asked her on a date the next day over facebook. I texted her the next couple days, sometimes with long breaks but fairly constant. We went, two days later, and had lunch. Took her to a nearby river after, we kissed. Now I know I'm set up well, but some weird feeling is keeping me from texting her. We got along, but I got some uncomfortable vibes. I know that its best to maintain contact, so I think I'll go with "Happy New Year!! How late can I be and still say that?"

Well, it is bound to be a little uncomfortable. Since, the way I see it, this is moving a bit fast for her references with other guys. Just don't focus too much on this negative train of thoughts and feelings, otherwise you will really ruin this good chance that you have with her. Text her with a clear aim of what you seek with her, and try to induce a light, warm SPAM in the conversations so that she feels safe and open with you. And that text isn't too bad. Go with that.

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Met a girl at another party, we got along very well. I had high social status among the people there, I was very direct with her. Where she was nervously chatting, I remained calm and we got along great. As soon as she accepted my friend request on facebook I told her that she was cute and I wanted to see her again. She has a boyfriend. I could see this going somewhere, so I don't mind breaking them up, but it adds complexity. After some joking, flirty talk, she accepted an invitation to lunch on Jan 1. After expressly saying it was a date, I got her to agree by telling her she was in my "friend zone," a great line I saw somewhere on this site. Unfortunately, I opted for the "cool" trick of telling her to track my number down. It was a bad decision, as she didn't answer another facebook message intended to start a conversation a day or two later. Today, the first, I sent her a message as early as I could telling her lunch at 1 pm, and not to make excuses with my phone number on it. She texted me: "Hey [Slip], it's Grace, I swear I jut got your message, and it turns out I'm doing family stuff today, I'm really sorry, but we can do something some other time :)"

I reply: "Rude. Plan it and let me know."
Then "Okay I will :)"

So... what? Just wait and see? Or after a certain amount of time enquire about the date of our engagement?
Well, I'd make some normal conversation for a week, and gauge her interest level and if she doesn't come up with a plan by herself for you both to meet, I wouldn't waste more time with her. She's already in a relationship and she's flaked once. Those are solid reasons to move on, in case of her further inaction about the situation between you both.

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Hey,

This makes a lot of sense and you're right; I do need to work on my comfort stage more. I suppose I don't do enough to get her into a comfortable conversation. The cube may be a little excessive, but maybe I'll give it a shot. Any other comfort building techniques you got up your sleeve?

Thanks again!
Trust me. "The Cube" just seems excessive, once it's done correctly, it's one of the best things a guy can do in a conversation. It's an instant connection.

Well, since I already mentioned about having a SS background, I use a lot of NLP material for rapid comfort building. But, that would need a lot of explanation starting from the basics.

Here's a simple NLP routine that you can use, for guaranteed comfort building..

the-nlp-comfort-zone-the-basis-of-all-m ... highlight=

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Text game has always been a stumbling block for me. Thanks everybody for the great pointers here. I'll chew on it a while.


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Hi Don,
Need a good opener for a girl which I met but barely spoken. So basicaly I have to remind her who I'm cuz I think she don't even know my name and don't have my number.
Oh and I had to call her day after new years eve to hang out a bit cuz it was last day she's staying in my city but I had too big hangover.... So what you think about this:
"Hey this is your boyfriend from 2011. If you still in (city) maybe you want to meet up?"
EDIT: Oh I forgot rule to tell her... So maybe this one is better
"Hey this is your boyfriend from 2011. If you still in (city) let's hang out."


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Hey,

This makes a lot of sense and you're right; I do need to work on my comfort stage more. I suppose I don't do enough to get her into a comfortable conversation. The cube may be a little excessive, but maybe I'll give it a shot. Any other comfort building techniques you got up your sleeve?

Thanks again!
Trust me. "The Cube" just seems excessive, once it's done correctly, it's one of the best things a guy can do in a conversation. It's an instant connection.

Well, since I already mentioned about having a SS background, I use a lot of NLP material for rapid comfort building. But, that would need a lot of explanation starting from the basics.

Here's a simple NLP routine that you can use, for guaranteed comfort building..

the-nlp-comfort-zone-the-basis-of-all-m ... highlight=
Hey Don,

Again, thanks for the tip. I checked out the link; it looks very useful. I've been studying some NLP but rarely put it into use because I'm still learning it. What other NLP tricks you got? Sorry for all the questions! :P

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okay so theres this girl ive been talking to for quite a while now ill call her M. M texts me alll time time and almost always sends the first text.
M tells me things she doesnt even tell her best friends and always tries to get me to say things "i love you".... however i hardly EVER see M and she usually has some excuse as to why she cant hang out.
M has also told me that shes been into some other guy for a while, but she always goes off about how she hates him and how hes an asshole.
so what do?


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Hi Don,

I met this girl hb 7.5 at new years eve party, managed to kiss close and #close, did well on kino. She even told me that I should invite her for a drink.
Now, should I call her or text her? And what should I text in case texting is a better option?


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hey don!
can u tell me what can i do in a situation like this and whether this girl is interested lmao i dont wnana mess things up! so lets call this girl X
i met her in a club and yea number closed dance for a bit held her hand a bit of kino here and there and she told me to call her and well i didnt(mistake #1 i know lol) but we have been texting back and forth which im glad keeping the 1:1 ratio so :D yay lol
and i've asked her out for coffee and this is the specific text thanks mate
Me: All caught up with your beauty sleep now? hahaha. My school started a bit late so yea thats whyy.

X: Yes i did i ndeed but im still absoutely wrecked. Lol im sodrowsy form my med as well lol so ur gonna be here for Chinese new year?

Me: feel better then!:) ill tell u what, when u get better lets go out for coffee!...its gonna be a riot :D and nah im not here for cny unfortunatelyy

X: Oh so ur leaving soon so. Yea sure :) But if im out my canadian frd will b there lol. Shes not leaving till 23rd. ( Her canadian friend is staying here cause she came to visit)

Me: Thats a 2 for 1 special and as awesome as that sounds lmao, i actually wanna get to know u like alone so hmm let me think how thats gonna work loll.

X: hahaha u could think of way to sort it out. Dats ur job lol otherwise u could wait till nxt time ur bk lol what u up to?

Me: ooo playing mind games with me now eh hahaha ill figure something out! i wa sjust out with my fam chilin and stuff..

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thanks mate please help me on what to do next and if im going in the riht direction would love to improve my text game thanks once again


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