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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:36 am 
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I have issues with this subject, so I'm no expert, but here's something that stands out to me:
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Me: So how long have you been a member here for?
Her: I have been at this gym for over 2 years.
Me: oh, wow!
Her: how about you?
Me: Yeah, I just joined a few months ago.
Her: Oh, okay.
You set yourself up to DLV. That's just nitpicking though, I honestly don't think it's that important, depending on how you responded to how long she's been a member and the answer you gave to her question. I'm thinking: it's not what you say but how you say it.

Anyway, I see some of your frustration in this thread, and I understand. We got a ton of PU advice and we have to see what works for us. In my opinion, and this might be counter-PUA, is that I do believe your looks play a role, but it's all about a balance. You asked how do the high school kids wind up hooking up with all those girls, they can't all have great skills. You are right. I was one of those high school kids that hooked up a lot, and I didn't really do much to do so. You have to think about the social situation at that age, you're both full of hormones, you're both not sure whether you'll ever get laid, and nobody's worried about their cost of living.

I'm not sure how old you are, but as we get older, we start to weigh out options, think about the future, and so forth. Women tend to be far more selective than teenagers because they believe there's a whole lot riding on who they choose. So yeah, you might look good to her, but what sets you apart from the other guy that just hit on her that looks good? That's why you have to pique their interest and increase attraction.

That is all you can do, because it is also a possibility you're just not her type.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:05 am 
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Women tend to be far more selective than teenagers because they believe there's a whole lot riding on who they choose.
True, yet 20-24 or so are usually just looking for a good time, speaking in general terms.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:25 am 
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Women tend to be far more selective than teenagers because they believe there's a whole lot riding on who they choose.
True, yet 20-24 or so are usually just looking for a good time, speaking in general terms.
Yep. I wasn't sure how old he was, so I just left it at high school, but yeah, anything goes in those college years.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:48 am 
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Women tend to be far more selective than teenagers because they believe there's a whole lot riding on who they choose.
True, yet 20-24 or so are usually just looking for a good time, speaking in general terms.
Yep. I wasn't sure how old he was, so I just left it at high school, but yeah, anything goes in those college years.
I am 26 years old. Also, I actually thought that girls in high school and college are more challenging than women in their mid-20s and older. My understanding is that girls in their teens and early twenties know that they have a such large pool of guys to select from that they will play hard to get with so many guys. Whereas with older women, starting at about mid-to-late twenties and up, their dating pool is much smaller due to the fact that they aren't around as many men as they were in their high school and/or college years; therefore, these women stop playing games with men and try to be more practical in settling down with a man or finding one as soon as possible.


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Everything we're all saying is generalizations of course but in general the "sweet spot' seems to be around 23-25 or so; out of college, a bit more mature, but not interested in settling down yet.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:14 am 
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I am 26 years old. Also, I actually thought that girls in high school and college are more challenging than women in their mid-20s and older. My understanding is that girls in their teens and early twenties know that they have a such large pool of guys to select from that they will play hard to get with so many guys. Whereas with older women, starting at about mid-to-late twenties and up, their dating pool is much smaller due to the fact that they aren't around as many men as they were in their high school and/or college years; therefore, these women stop playing games with men and try to be more practical in settling down with a man or finding one as soon as possible.
What? I need to know where these places are because at mid-to-late twenties, they usually work for a living and men tend to be everywhere unless they work at a hospital.

I'm reminded of the Chris Rock bit where he says women are constantly offered dick every day.

"Let me get that door for you." : "You want some dick?"
"Can I help you with those groceries?" : "Can I help you with some dick?"

Anyway, yeah, we're probably generalizing. I think the bottom line is you need to set yourself apart from the rest.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:30 am 
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None of this was needed. No ones reply was good =(
the best thing you could have done is asked her to come workout with you
and if she insisted on saying no you kind of convince her on why she should come work out with you!
Then you get into funny stories about the gym and so on

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Sometimes, after I initiate a conversation with a girl, the girl would end up either excusing herself politely saying that she going to somewhere or do something like go to the bathroom or go back to working out or meet up with a friend or friends or end the conversation by saying "okay well, nice to meet you, bye!" One example was back when I was still new to the gym that I go to now and it was this hot asian girl at my gym who I approached and conversed with. Before trying to talk to and getting to know her, I first had her notice me at the gym for several days in order to have her eventually recognize me as a regular at the gym instead of being seen as some complete newbie stranger. Also, each time I got her to notice me I would look at her for a few seconds until she noticed me and then she would either just smile at me or say hi to me with a smile. So this is how it basically went when I finally approached and initiated a conversation with her on that day:

Me: (I walked up to her calmly)
Her: (As soon as she notices me she takes her headphones off and smiles) Hey.
Me: Hey, how's it going? (Saying it with a half-smile).
Her: Good. How about you?
Me: Good. Hey, you know I think I've seen you at least few times in this gym. What's
Your name? (I extended my right hand toward her for a handshake as I half-smile again).
Her: I am (her name).
There is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Her: What's your name?
Me: I am (my name). So, do you workout here often?
Her: Yeah, like about 4 times a week.
Me: Ah, that's good.
Her: Do you?
Me: Yeah, I workout here at least a few times a week.
Her: (she nods).
There another is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Me: So how long have you been a member here for?
Her: I have been at this gym for over 2 years.
Me: oh, wow!
Her: how about you?
Me: Yeah, I just joined a few months ago.
Her: Oh, okay.
There is another pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter and staying calm).
Her: Okay, well nice to mee to you, bye! (Walks away with a smile).

definitely a super-boring conversation. you didn't infuse it with breadcrumbs for other conversation topics to lead the conversation into a more interesting direction.

having said that, a gym is not an ideal place to pick up a girl. because if things don't go well, you end up seeing each other at the gym time-and-again, so a woman's defenses will be a bit higher in the gym. hence her abruptly finishing your boring conversation.

you needed to lay the groundwork for a follow-up conversation, e.g. teasing her about the progress she's making or lifting too light weights - or the opposite, complimenting her that she looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Fun, playful. so she looks forward to seeing you again in the gym.

it's only when she feels at ease will you have an opportunity to go through the full routine and number close her. at least that's the safest path to take, unless you got more advanced skills to do it right away.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:44 pm 
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Your example is a text book example of a borring, interview-type conversation. You will ALWAYS get
a girl to end a conversation with you, and probably won't feel like talking to you anymore, simply because
you've BORED her brains out.

There is a very cool technique that I use to make conversations interesting and not sound like I'm interviewing
a girl.

I call it FREE-FLOW.

I came up with this technique after reverse-engineering the conversations of guys that I found to be
naturals with women.

There was something very different in how these naturals were talking with a girl then how an average
guy was talking with a girl.

While the average guy would be asking a girl question after question after question, the naturals did
something DISTINCTIVELY different.

While they too asked questions, they threw in something else - a COMMENT.

So their conversation had a flow of asking QUESTIONS...and making COMMENTS.

And it had a special structure of asking 2 QUESTIONS...and then making 1 COMMENT.

So the conversation had a PULSE, it was alive, it wasn't monotone. It was "I ask, I tell, I ask, I tell..."

And not in your case "I ask, I ask, I ask..."

So naturals have a conversation that goes up and down, it has a beat...

Yours unfortunately doesn't have that.

Your conversations are...well, DEAD.

So here's what you could have done instead.

Me: (I walked up to her calmly)
Her: (As soon as she notices me she takes her headphones off and smiles) Hey.
Me: Hey, how's it going? (Saying it with a half-smile). (1st QUESTION)
Her: Good. How about you?
Me: Good. Hey, you know I think I've seen you at least few times in this gym. What's
Your name? (I extended my right hand toward her for a handshake as I half-smile again). (2nd QUESTION)
Her: I am (her name).
There is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).

Now, instead of waiting for the pause to pass, you could have added a COMMENT based on what
she said.

So if she had an interesting name, commenting on her name. So saying something like,


"O, that's a beautiful name...it sounds so innocent, it doesn't fit with your kind of evil adventourous
look you have in your eyes when you look at me..."


Get it?

But OK, let's continue and see how else you could have continued the conversation.


Her: What's your name?
Me: I am (my name). So, do you workout here often? (1st QUESTION)
Her: Yeah, like about 4 times a week.
Me: Ah, that's good.

Now, again, instead of saying "Ah, that's good", you could have make a COMMENT that actually connected
to what she just said.

Now, the trick to making comments like this is to PAY ATTENTION to yoruself and notice what is the
FIRST thing that comes to your mind when she says something.

To me, the first thing that pops to my mind is that if she works out 4 times a week, she's really
commited to it...and probably has an amazing body.

So you could say,
"Wow 4 times a week? That's a lot. You're really commited to this...and honestly the
results can show :) I can only do it like a few times a week because of work..."


With this, she would ask you about what you do and you'd have a great conversation starter.

Get it?

So it's about ASKING her QUESTIONS, but then again in making COMMENTS that are RELEVANT to
the stuff she is saying.

If you'd like to learn more about this, you can either check out my book, where I explain this technique
in depth, or contact me on pm and I'll walk you through it personally.

O and by the way, if you have challenges with approaching women because
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All in all, I hope you use the Free-Flow technique and don't get yourself into boring conversations again.

Wish you best!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:47 am 
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Hey brother.

It's cool, man.

You just need some Smooth Grammar.

8)

Lol. See, that's my game style. And as I said that last sentence, I would've leaned back, stroked my goatee, and stared up and to the right with squinting eyes as if I just said something deep. Pause right there for a second and she would've cracked up.

*BOOM*

I just made her day and stood out to her. At which point I could smile and carry on with a normal conversation like you did. Maybe when she tells you her name, you say, "Hmmm... You look more like a (random pretty chick celebrity name). I'm gonna call you (random pretty chick celebrity name)."

Look up David Deangelo "Cocky Comedy" and also check out his many conversation YouTube videos.

It'll fix that right up for you, brother.

Game on.


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