Look, I've mastered decent body language, I can open though I at times muff it, qualify decently, cocky-funny seems to work with me some, though I find myself preferring to give info about myself while taking it a lot. Thing is, I don't know how to throw kino escalation into the mix.

Also, how to escalate with here friends watching? Can't do as much, obviously, but still. Part of it is, I've been talking to a lot of girls behind barriers, like desks, and I've found touching them awkward while gaming therm. If I'm seated, and she's seated, behind a desk, working, well, how bold should I be? If she's seated, I should be, or if she's standing, so should I, but sitting on a desk to get closer? Thought about it.

Also, I could use pointers on how to stop a moving target.

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Kino was unnatural for me. So I had to find trigger moments when to and how to kino.
After a while you get used to it and start kino without thinking.

If you go throw a crowed (for example in a club or a really busy street): hold her hand, arm or whatever so you both don't get separated.

If many people are crossing your way: Move a softly around so no one bumps into her.

Before you cross a busy street: Hold her to signal you are waiting for a good time to cross the street.

If you cross street: Pull her with you to protect her.

She looks at her hands or nails (You can trigger that one yourself by looking at her hands, than she looks usually too): Talk about her hands/nails and signal her you want to examine them. Take her hand look at it and keep holding while talking about them. I always say, that I like to paint miniature and I think I can do a good job at painting nails and that I would like to try. If she likes the idea keep it in mind! It's an awesome excuse to go to her place...to paint some nails...hehe...

You can say: "Wait, don't move!" and than put a hair away from her face or something. You can tell her, that it was about going into her eye.

Just pay attention to the situation you are in. Even if you don't touch her. Think later when you could have touched her. Find the trigger, remember them and train yourself to feel comfortable to kino. If you don't, than how can she?

Flow

Okay; kinoing when moving the target is very much organic; got that. When talking to a hired gun, say, that won't work.

It's not that I'm afraid to kino, but I've been afraid to do it when it was going wel. Hm...to the staff girls in the gym, I could plausibly in conversation bring up my sore neck, and by showing it to them, ask them to touch it. Also, in turn, I could touch their shoulder, in the same place; convenient.

The rest, I guess, is just being bold, and willing to make something happen.

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What busted my kino escalation anxiety was a peacocking item-- a dragon ring. Girls love to look at the ring and touch my hand. Might work fer yah.

I also have shiny dog tags near my cock area. I know when a girl is horny because she starts touching the dog tags. The tags condition girls' minds that it's okay if they groped your cock. When a girl feels comfortable touching items near your cock, it will be easier to turn her on. See Teevster's Mutual Seduction thread at the PUA Lounge on how to execute some tricks when a girl starts touching things near your cock.

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Well, Hellhound, I finally managed to get a girl to let me touch her arm, today. That came from over an hour of sarging, and is an important first, if only as a moral victory, of sorts.

I got into a conversation with a Goth girl about heavy metal and the like, and turned the conversation over towards cold reading. I talked about how I was able to guess things about people, and turned it to tattoos, which allowed me to talk about both hers, and herself. I wasn't attracted to her (nor she my type) but she did let me touch her, which is good.

I didn't spark much attraction, in her, though; my energy was low, and I was just coming in, under the radar, which in this case, suited me dandy, but that's not always so. I seem to be following the right things in set, generally, but without energy, kinoing and everything doesn't seem to do much.

My sarge today, in general, was of lousy quality, thanks to lousy mindset; I guess that's why people talk of "practice" sets, at the start of a sarge; don't know what they mean, but if it gets 'em in the right frame of mind, I can see why.

I'm working on myself, in all aspects, at present. I'm unemployed, but I volunteered to today; I work out, and generally have better self-esteem; even if it's not showing during sarging.

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Much obliged; printed it out.

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That's the attitude bro. Let these small victories dominate your thoughts. Get used to small wins so when the opportunity for the big win comes, you won't sabotage yourself to go back to the comfort of failure and rejection. Sad thing is, some dudes on here are so used to failure and rejection that they find comfort in those. So when they're about to win, they make moves that bring them back to failure.

Condition your mind to small wins until it becomes ingrained in your personality to win.

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Hm; well, it still seems easier to turn back, than go forward, but I garnered my fourth # total after an hour of sarging on Wednesday. It was strictly a friendzone thing, with no kinoing, but at least I sought an actual #, not email. She's no more tha a six, and I'm not even going to follow up with her.

More enboldening was what happened with a girl yesterday, even if I didn't get her #. There's been this one hired gun at the gym, who's an because of, or in spite (I'm thinking in spite) of her makeup, whom I've been bantering, with. SHe's waved to me, and said hi, but I've been reluctant to make a move in a while.

Well yesterday, I marched in inot her office when she was on the phone, waited till she got off, and started bantering, talking about SNL, and it went well, then, she got up, said she was going to the drinking fountain, and invited me to come, basically, though kind a handled it awkward. It was an opportunity to hold hands, I suppose, but it was still her showing adesire to get phyiscally close to me, which I quite invited, and took advantage of.

Noting her tattoo on her arm, I proceeded to touch it, lightly stroking while asking about it, which turned out to be a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche. I 've read Nietzsche, and we were bonding nicely. She said in effect she had a boyfriend (I gathered that from the apparent engagement ring on her finger) but she clearly wasn't pushing away, so I simply continued, Touching her arm, shoulder, and, more boldly, her neck. A more experienced PUA would have found the moment right to kiss her, I suppose, but finally retreated.

I had clearly generated attraction in a very hot girl, but I was a bit thrown by her body language. There we were, standing and chatting, backs to the wall or so, and doing so at an angle to each other, almost over our shoulders, our feet inches apart. Thing was, even as she was engaging me, I saw she was wrapping one arm around her chest (left I think), and that left me wondering if she was uncomfortable.

Given she was giving me IOIs with her rapid eye blinks, and still quite pen to be touched, I think it was the social setting, which was understandable. I should have led her back to the relative privacy of her office, but I wussed out.

Still, that felt pretty fun, even if I wasn't focused on enjoying the moment. Didn't get the 3, and her buying temperature will cool, but still, I left her wanting more, which is good, and leaves to room open to future advances upon her.

First time I made a concerted effort to kino a girl, and I liked it; I was nervous, but even so, the act itself was a bulge to the ego, shall we say?

Thoughts on her body language, though? When a girl is turned on, or showing interests to a man, that defensive body language is largely about the social setting, not the PUA, yes?

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Usually, it's something you said. Change topic and her folded hands will be open again. Sometimes, she's just mirroring your body language. You might have folded your arms first so she folded her arms too. Put your hands down and be more open and she'll likewise do the same.

Mirroring is a very powerful tool in your arsenal as a pick up artist if you know what you're doing. Checkout Teevester's Mutual Seduction thread at the Lounge and get pointers on how to maximize the mirroring effect.

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Hm. Well, Hellhound, I rarely cross my arms, period, let alone when I sarge. I could just be the topic, but what I did was pretty teasing. I think it in part because I wasn't showing enough enthusiasm, but she was discussing something tattooed on her arm, and bringing up her boyfriend, not a direct objection, but implied. Maybe I should have made a joke, or something, but I think my big problem was coming in direct, but without sufficient force, if you will.

Her signals, if I'm reading correct, were, "I like you, but am wary of your sexual intent." She should be. If I'm not mistaken, I've witnessed her being hit on by her co-workers, as I've walked past; she was even brushing her hair, to one of them, and I think he had the advantage, that he could just organically flirt with her, and let things develop, he wasn't going for the jugular, whereas I was.

Me, I just thought it was approach, and get #s, then go from there; I seem to either not pushing girls hard enough, or else, pushing too much. Oh, and I've now read Teevster's thread, or I think I have. It's called Mutual Escalation, but thanks. Question is, will demanding compliance (this is what we're talking about, essentially) from a girl with folded arms work? I can try it, but I hope this is the right situation.

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