Having just one wingman (or winggirl) who knows what they are doing is absolutely fine and will no doubt be beneficial to your game when you're in the field. Good communication before and during your pick-ups is vital so you both know what you are doing.

Having multiple wingmen on the other hand as I have found from a rather frustrating experience I had a couple of nights ago is not advisable and is, in all honesty, a recipe for disaster.

Here's my story that demonstrate how having multiple wingmen is a bad idea:
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Basically what happened to me was that I was meeting a girl I had met a couple of weeks before at my local rock club. When we first met we hit it off amazingly and were making out within 10-15 minutes of meeting. We stayed in touch and made plans to camp together with a group of our friends at Download festival this year.

We were unable to see eachother for a couple of weeks following due to various things getting in the way but we made plans to meet on this night again at the club.

I let a couple of my friends know about this and they were extremely eager to come out with me on this night and be my wingmen in order to make sure I got laid with this girl. This started off as just 2, which later became three and then 4 friends saying they wanted to help. I specifically told them I had this one in the bag but they were keen to come along anyway to help out anyway they could.

So what happened was on me meeting up with the girl and her friends (who is rather more drunk than she was last time) my friend comes over, wrecking my conversation flow and eventually hijacking it to the point where she ends up flirting with him right in front of me! I had told this guy I was on the pull and he offered to help in anyway he could, and then he does this! I'm sure this wasn't intentional but it completely throws me and I lose all my momentum.

Meanwhile my other wingmen that night just end up getting drunk and when I am trying my best to dance and have fun with my girl who is slowly becoming less interested in me and more interested in my friend that interrupted me as the night goes on, they just end up crowding us at the bar and on the dance floor and intimidating her and her friends and making me look stupid with their behaviour. They manage to distract one or two people being resistance and one of them ends up hooking up with the girls friend to distract her but by this point I am beginning to see that the situation that night cannot be repaired. Things become more and more awkward between me and the girl in our conversations and she is not even interested in dancing with me anymore.

After a couple of hours of this I get fed up and decide to call it, 2 of my wingmen have already left as they are too drunk and my girl is nowhere to be seen, possibly gone home as she and her friends are also very drunk

The evening is lost.

I have a long chat with my friend who got with the girls friend on the way home.

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As you can see, communication and coordinating your wingmen when there are so many of them becomes extremely difficult and just overcomplicates things completely. It throws too many variables into the mix and also makes a pickup very stressful, which adversely affects your game.

If you read my story do you think there is any way I can salvage the situation with this girl? I am still camping with her and a bunch of our friends at Download but at the moment I feel quite embarressed to talk to her after the shennanigans that night!

Yeah, I agree. Also when it comes to meeting/sarging one wingman is advised. If you're in a big group of guys you look intimidating. When just you, or you and a wingman sometimes girls may even approach you.

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[quote=""The Gift""]Yeah, I agree. Also when it comes to meeting/sarging one wingman is advised. If you're in a big group of guys you look intimidating. When just you, or you and a wingman sometimes girls may even approach you.[/quote

Yeah true thats almost what happened the first time i met this girl.

At the end of the day you're NOT going into battle, all you're doing is meeting a lady for a (hopefully) pleasant evening! Some guys I.e. my friends just don't seem to understand this! There's no point taking it too seriously or getting overly fired up about it because that's just not the attitude to have and it's not really very attractive to women.

I don't want anyone else to have to suffer anything as humiliating as what I went through so I thought make this post.

Yep, too many guys looks intimidating. Also means you spend more time talking with them than working the room, which can make you appear less social, and can kill your momentum. And then, of course, if things are going well, it makes it harder to be alone. Any good wingman knows that you drop out of sight when your friend has everything under control.

your problem was not the number, but that you guys basically disregarded some basic guidelines for successful sarging.

dont drink. if you do drink, only a little. the goal with alcohol, if any, is getting her tipsy, not youself.

don't sarge eachother's targets. define what you guy will do beforehand. follow your plan, and improvise only when circumstances change, which they always will, but try to stick to the plan.

if there are many of you, and same amount of women, it's cool. if she's alone, of course you should avoid scaring her away with a heard of horny bulls. lol. split up. find eachother later on in the evening to exchange experiences.

the wing is there to help you avoid cockblocks, amogs and other stuff that might get in the way of a close. he should not intervene in your game. it does not look like they were doing that.

just my opinion.

Thats also true, we didn't really have a solid gameplan.
I think if I was on my own it would have gone alright, this girl was pretty drunk before we got there though. But yeah not at all impressed with my 'wingman' as he knew full well what I was doing and was just hanging around and invading the conversation purely because he was bored, making me lose the iniative for the evening.

Good wingmen are hard to find....

Quite frankly, this community attracts a lot of losers. On our local lair, it's real hard to find someone who is normal, let alone a good wingman.

I've met a lot of one hit wonders (join and then disappear after one or two meets) and mst just give up or have way too many other issues to work on...

But I've had a big problem too with some 'wings' who will do nothing but get hammered drunk and make a fool of themselves and wonder why a set won't hook...

Actually I'm just ranting because I've about given up on finding a community wing.

If I out it's usually just myself and one (at most two) other people... Any more is a "rape pack." think of how scary a group of like seven or eight drunk guys must be for a girl.

Two wings can work depending on what you're wanting to do. But you need to have been out with each of them before and be aware that they are not in fact useless as wings.
The main problem with your experience seems to be bad selection of wings more than numbers. But more than eight or so people tends to get too crowded and messy. Which is why I like 1-2.

And yes, good wings are hard to find. Probably impossible on this forum. They need to ban Asian and South American ip ranges for one thing. Fills the forum up with so much crap that has no place here. PUA is made for Western culture, but I digress.

Thats what your friends are surely for? preferable if they actually know and understand how this stuff works but but at the end if the day experience is really what your'e after.

On the plus side however I think I may have fixed things and redeemed myself with this lady as we had a very pleasant coffee date the other day some negs and kino really worked. Going to continue to build on this and escalate at the next meeting, this weekend at Download.

Mehn you blew it from the moment you told your guys about the HB, hey remember you said that you & the HB started making out within 10 - 15mins of meeting her (you were already in charge, the next move was to take her home the next time your paths crossed , bringing a wing man for distraction at midgame stage is old school, control & sneakyness Is the new game,remember she also came with drunk friends you both shoulda just disappeared leaving her chics behind. I believe 1 wingman is enough, for sarging only, successful midgame as yours requires no other person but you the HB & your "A GAME", flip thru the game once more and some david de'angelo too. GO HARD HOMIE

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