I've been out a total of four times. The first time I got scared and left. The second time I did a shotgun approach of making a quick remark to a group and then moving on. The third time I went with a friend and someone I met through the boards. I had short, but real conversations. I even got one girl on the fence about me, and another bought me a drink. I especially enjoyed having someone to go with. It relieved the burden, allowed me to share, and helped me feel no different from anyone else there.

Last night I went out again, alone. Again, I had short conversations. I got a few laughs. Like I was in a young, "country" club and I played up the fact that I was a misplaced indian in there (I'm really American with Pakistani heritage.) Or when someone told me they were celebrating because it was someone's birthday, I said "Oh man, my birthday was this year too! I should join you guys!" Or when this fat girl was playing Buck Hunter (which features scantily clad women), I joked they should replace the deer with those skinny girls and she could shoot THEM. But on-the-spot jokes are not easy to come by. I've only had a couple of conversations (of maybe 24) where I could keep them coming.

Ok, Ok. Blah, Blah. Question: What strategies do you use to transition into meaningful, but fun conversations? Are there games you play? Do you recite love poetry? Do you run a hypnotic mind trick??

Oh. And thanks.

Two ways I can think of the top of my head in bringing out a meaningful conversation is
one: ask her an opinion about something, that YOU find meaningful.
two: make an observation remark about something that YOU find meaningful.

It's interesting because literally, if you break down the word meaning and full you will see something cool.

Meaning- what is meant by a word, text, concept, or action
Full- containing or holding as much or as as many as possible

First off what is a topic that means something to you? If your from Pakistan, i'm going to make a stereotype and say you might like cricket

If somebody asked you to tell you what is the point of cricket, and you replied as follows:
The basic meaning of Cricket is a bunch of guys on a field playing what looks like a version of American baseball.

From that definition, you get the meaning of Cricket, but it's not that meaningful now is it. So lets take the definition of "full" and apply that to Cricket.

Somebody again asks you, what is the meaning of Cricket and you reply as follows:
It's one of the most highly watched sports in the world. Some countries take the game so seriously, that its considered a national holiday when the team plays ( i think India does this), and the fact the game could take sometimes 5 days to finish makes its unique.

Thats just an example off what I know about cricket, but notice how the second response is a meaningful response. It has substance to what is being, it has uniqueness to it, and most off all, if you actually feel this way about Cricket, it will be conveyed. If you start talking about the things you like in this way, you will have more meaningful conversation, I promise.

I hope that helps,

Samex

Nice post samex.

First off in my humble opinion reciting love poetry telegraphs too much interest, and she will likely soon tell you that she has a boyfriend or something.

To transition into deeper fun talk I would probably first ask the group how they all know each other to determine her status / connection to the group. I'd really game the whole group and gain their trust enough to let me take the target off alone (C1). I'd spin her to test for compliance.

I'd probably point to where we were going to go to the group, let them know, and then isolate.

Then I'd talk her ear off. All the way off.

my advice: be honestly curious.

people can smell sincerity from a mile away. if you focus a little less on jokes (that's how you get her attention, not keep it!) and more on learning about her, she'll respond well. because it won't be a one-sided comedy show, it'll be an opportunity for you to get to know one another. remember to still sprinkle your personality in there (jokes, exaggeration and the like) but if you're looking for meaningful conversation, you can't fabricate it. sometimes you'll meet someone that you just have nothing in common with. then what do you have to talk about? how little you have in common, of course!

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get good at attractive conversational threads that evoke emotion from woman and demonstrate value.

Knock it off with the "meaningful" part. Girls dont really want that unless they already are attracted.

There are plenty of material of good, attractive, conversational threads, out there, find them and read up.