I opened with this girl in the gym, but I met her at a party...we flirted a little and I negged her but her friend pulled her away.
So I saw her in the gym and flirted slightly, but I feel that I lost social value in the way that I handled it because
1. No negs at the gym
2. I approached her from behind so it looked like I was chasing her.

She walked past me later on without looking at me.

So I need to come up with a strong one. The things I could neg her about are

1. Her braces
2. Her being skinny
3. She does kickboxing, so I negged her about being an angry person


Any other ideas?

oh and she has a personal trainer making it difficult to find her alone. I can only meet her by chance before or after the session.

Personally, I wouldn't sarge at the gym. People are busy there and it will be hard to game them. I think a strong neg would just make things worse, because she's anyway busy.

Idk, somebody else take over from here...

There is no proof here that girl you saw at the gym perceives herself as having a higher value than you. --- you don't need to neg her ---

You are the prize.

If you've really only met her once before, then by recognizing her at the gym you have social value by simply being able to pick her out and associating her with past events . You cannot even assume that she is able to recognize you at the gym - she may have been uncomfortable because she didn't remember you from the party. If she only met you once before at a party, you have to keep in mind she may not be able to place you.

I run into people all the time who I have gamed but do not remember.

--- negs are only to put you on even ground if someone perceives they have a higher social value than you --- you have not presented any kind of a case to indicate she has more social value than you.

if she has a personal trainer then she probably is at the gym to try to change to look of her body - that means she has body issues, negging her is really not a good idea in that case.

if you see a girl you met at a party who is single and at the same gym as you, then it's on!!!:twisted:

you're money - you just have to figure out with her how you share the same social circles as her (neither you nor her really care how you share the same circles, but this builds comfort), then ask her to do something outside of the gym (a day 2) and you're golden!!!

Well I do know she is a society girl (rich and all)...so she will perceive herself as havinig more social value just from this fact (this type usually does). I also think the neg is needed because I accidentally lowered my social value when I saw her at the gym.

By the way, she definately recognises me.

It's a good point that people are busy at the gym, but remember that you see the same people at the gym again and again, so there is no rush no number close, which is an advantage. Also, it is easy to open at the gym.

"That's not how you use that machine...here let me show you"
or (with a slight neg)
"You are supposed to move in a slow smooth motion to get the full effect, not like you are half drunk" (with a smile, of course)

I was thinking of using something like this:

(Pointing at her belly): "You gained half a kilo" (metric system where I'm from)

or

"Got a joke for you: what did the girl with crooked teeth do when she went on the rollercoaster ride?
She braced herself!"

Bad joke, I know, but the point is to give her a light neg.
If you have anything better please let me know.

We also have a joke thing going on that she's going to fight me sometime (referring to her boxing workout).

Oh, and before anyone comments that the first one is an insult, it's not, the joke being that I can tell that I can accurately tell that she has gained a small amount of weight just by looking, when of course it is impossible to do so. Maybe I should say quarter of a kilo...

i was in the same position with a few girls at the gym which is pretty good so i have abit of advice with your problem.. well in my situation i got her number quickly at the party (which, when i look back, should have waited till i met her at the gym) she comes to the gym, i approach her and ask what shes doing today, i go through one of her work outs (which b.t.w were way too easy even for her..) but pretend its hard and that its something new.. challenge her to competiton of some sort.. let her win.. (but if she gets cocky or rude, neg her or make her find out in a silent way that you actually could have destroyed her lol) then (heres where i found i should have gone) when ur about to leave say "oww i better get going, i said id meet my mates.. blah blah but its been fun we definatly gotta do this again, ill take you through one of my work outs next time haha, here.. chuck your number in my phone ill give you a txt next time im coming in" (or how ever you play your game)

so i guess in your situation if shes ever by herself for one day and since you both go to the gym you can do it any day ..no rush.. ask her to take you through one of her workouts.. that way you can build repport while your with her
ohh and before i forget.. DO NOT make your workouts way too hard for her.. or she wont want to go through another 1 lol unless shes one of thoses strong willed chicks

P.S sarging at the gym is algood just make sure you dont screw things up because your probably gona see her again and again and again.. most chicks dont mind taking a small break from there workout to have a chat and get hit on.. haha

i go to the gym on a regular basis, about 5 days a week. im a pretty big guy who definitely belongs in the gym. (19 inch arms, 345lb bench at under 210lbs, ect. you get the idea) i would never approach a chick in the gym, and never even consider approaching a chick upon my arrival to the place. after my workout would be the best time if there is no realistic other option.

id recommend you do not approach her while shes working out, specially if shes with a trainer. trainers cost a large chunk of change, and unlike the dumb strippers where i lift, your target is obviously there with a purpose, not for social hour.

most training sessions last for an hour, so if you see her attempt to gauge when her appointment (they usually start on the hour ie: 2pm, 3pm, 4pm, ect) began. then figure in about an hour she will be done, while being as NON obvious as possible. Act like your into your workout and dont notice her (head phones rockin out, talk to somebody/a gym partner when shes coming, use a squat rack thats pushed into a corner) just anything to make her not realize youre there at all. 9 times out of 10 after a workout she will go to the water fountain or some other common postworkout gathering place (if she goes immediately into the locker room, waiting to buy something from the juice bar works too). as sneaky as possible walk over (waterfountain situation) or look at her/get her attention (juicebar or common postworkout location situation) and act surprised in a sense to see her and id say something like 'this is the second time ive ran into you here, you must like it as much as me. i noticed you had a trainer last time, could you tell me which is the best one to choose, how to get in touch with him, blah blah blah. ' or something along those lines.

i would NOT neg at the gym, specially in your situation. and i wouldnt even try to run any serious game at first. more of less just get her talking. then depending on the situation go into a gym related opener. one that seems like a good option is complaining about the gym. " is too hot, smells, is too cold, is too busy, the machines suck, the people are stupid, ect" and acting like it is unpleasant while clearly making it obvious your there all the time. idk if that makes perfect sense, but when i talk to a chick who i can tell obviously works out i use lines like that. it has worked 100% of the time for me, mostly because of perfect, cocky-funny type delivery. then again, this works well for me because im a gym rat and its blatantly obvious i workout on a regular basis.

if that wont work for you, get creative. you want it to seem like you are going to the gym on a regular basis, but whatever you do, do NOT mention anything about 'i want to be bigger or stronger' or anything about 'the other guys' in the gym, unless it is about them being annoying to you for talking up space or a machine you wished to use. the gym/working out is one of the best tools for DHV'ing. use that to your advantage

hope i helped

Thanks, all. Haven't seen that chick lately (she skipped a week), but I'm pretty sure she needs a neg the way she walked past me, plus it continues the playful rapport that we established at the party.

I began sarging another young chick who was on one of the ab machines about the way she moved and commented that she needs the ab machine a little bit. Then I gained some social value by making it seem that I'm friendly with a lot of people there. I went into a salsa class that they have at the gym, picked out one of the other girls on the excuse that I wanted her to show me a particular move. I demonstrated that I can salsa (at least better than the target, for whom it was probably a first time). Then I left, got into my suit (I look James Bond-like or at least Mafia hitman-like in a suit, pretty indimidating, one of my ways of peacocking) went back in and salsad a little more. Alll this time I ignored her.

Got several IOIs during all this, mostly in the form of sideward glances that chicks usually give. Once she actually turned her head to see me salsa dance. Now I need to bump into her again.

so did you let the other chick go and your now on to a new one? or have two potential targets and youre just waiting to run into either one?

I'm waiting to run into both! Their ages are different enough that they probably would not be friends.

I ran into the first one at a restaurant recently. I was with three femaile friends and one male friend (high social value). I had also spoke to a lot (and I mean a lot) of women in front of her at the party where I met her.
Anyway, she came in, smiled at me, I got up and I told the joke (badly) and she said, "its not funny" and sat down (she was with five other female friends). I said "It's very funny" and sat down myself. The mistake I did (again), is that I appeard to persue her. I shouldn't have got up. I should have made her come over so that I could tell her something (but the joke would have been a bad thing to say in front of the other people, it would have had to be something else). Anyway, I think I countered the getting up with the neg somewhat, so I'm back to square one. Now I can tell her I can tell you are a pisces (or whatever( because you don't have a sense of humour. Have you ever had your palm read, etc, but it would have to be in isolation. I have found from one previous experience that palm reading, though extremely effective, is not a good idea in public. I once palm read a girl at a table at that same restaurant, coincidentally enough, and everyone else on the table was staring (makiner her feel nervous). This included the AFC she came with, who was totally dissarmed by that point, but his presence and my holding her hand made her feel slutty since she came with him, so after initially sweeping her off her feet for a little while, she said she needed to go to the toilet. She composed herself, came back and was a little stand offish towards me after that (although she did ask my name when she left, which is a definate IOI). Palm reading should only be done in isolation.

Sorry for rambling.