''I would add one other sign, other women hate them. Especially your mother, sister, or female friends. Women smell their game a mile away''

YES...i was with this one who only met my sister in passing through our home for 3 occasions for a period of less than 5 minutes each when they said hi and made small talk to each other.....she seemed to have a big thing about ''what did your sister think of me'' do you think she liked me'' ....looking back on it this girl still had a thing for her Ex...[yes it was in my extreme afc days]....eventually i dropped her because i told her i didnt share her obsession with her ex boyfriend...she still kept talking about him..so bye bye........anyway she KNEW that my sister would have smelt her out a mile away and looking back on it those few times they were in each others company she showed signs of fear ....now my sister is not in any way physically intimidating or rude/abrasive--so yeah

What are all the signs to look out for in an emotionally manipulative women, and should they all be prevalent in order for her to be classed as such?

I need as much information as possible in order to determine whether my bitch falls into that category.

Dude

Read the first post

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wow. My very first girlfriend was a EMW. I lasted with her for 4 months and you are so right about well basically everything! In bed ( she no workee, only takee ), buying things, making me the one to blame etc etc. I also had the ' wtf is wrong with my cock ' thought with her - just as you wrote it but I never told her that I loved her and it was eating her inside, I dumped her because of the way she was in bed but I told her that I just dont have time for a relationship and I have to concentrate on school etc. etc.
Thank you for this post, never realised it and thought my ex was simply very paranoid.

Haha, I read the entire thread, my friend, from back to front. What can I say? I still need more.

Just as a side discussion, do you think it is wise to refrain from telling your other that you love her? I believe that I've fallen for mine, but I have no intention whatsoever of telling her. I suppose that is cruel of me, but the truth is that I'm worried that professing my love for her(she already has) would elevate the relationship to an even higher plane, which I'm not yet ready for. Furthermore, there is also a possibility of her becoming comfortable and/or taking me for granted, now that I had 'officially' fallen for her. It's just my opinion, but I think that by refusing to cave in, you ensure, at least for the meanwhile, that she continues to work hard for you.

Low Self-Esteem mentality - if you need to use "I love You" as a carrot dangling over her head to keep attraction something isn't right.

What works well with me in my 8 month relationship is doing the same exact thing back to them and once they get out of hand, you call them out on them for being immature, framing them, and chilling back like it's their fault for everything and you don't care because she's being immature..I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about right now but it works lmao

GOK, Mack 2.0 and Lodewijkp - This is one thread that got me interested and I came back to complete reading it in 3 sittings (Have a life you see, had to get other things done )

So, GOK & Mack 2.0 have you ever thought what is it about you guys that you keep attracting such women? Now, every once in a while everyone of us have come across atleast one of this kind. But if you are constantly meeting this kind then there could be something about you that attracts them.

I personally, just cut them off like abrubtly the moment they give out any strong signs of manipulation - now every girl is manipulative upto an extent but there is that kind that you guys know that you just dont want around you.

FYI - there is also that kind that act very innocent in the begining but then 'switch gears' after they sense you are hooked.
This was an entertaining thread.

GoodLuck Guys,
Marc

oh fuck yah! i couldn't agree more.

these women have a fine-tuned radar for the sort of man who will (for lack of a better term) "PUT UP WITH THEIR BULLSHIT" and they are goddamned accurate at finding you.

neediness is a big one. but not just neediness in the typical sense. a guy who really enjoys/wants a deep emotional connection can, well, be obviously manipulated emotionally by a woman. it's like 1 + 1 = 2 type deal. quite simple actually.

i am a serial monogamist by nature. have never cheated. don't plan on it. it's usually the truly faithful and monogamous guys that get fucked over by this sort of woman.

if you have those tendencies, you have to shore up your esteem with preparedness, a healthy dose of self-respect, and screen through the use of "standards". you have to have standards for what you will and won't put up with. REGARDLESS of what she says about her actions or what explanations/coverups she offers. it doesn't matter. YOUR STANDARDS come first. that IS self-respect.

so a guy that is truly looking for a deep connection RISKS more and is therefore MORE vulnerable. he also has to be more competent in his surroundings, prepared, and thoughtful about the actions of others and his own standards.

this is called MATURITY and EXPERIENCE.

i learned SO MUCH from the relationship that led me to start this topic. that i had to share it. because i knew that other guys, just like me, had been in the exact same position and struggled with the same things.

it's about coming of age.

you start out an idealistic and gullible young man with flexible standards...

and you end up a realistic and wise man with standards of steel.

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Well I've never told a girl that I love her and sometimes you can really tell that they want to hear it. I tell them I like them and that I don't want to be like the couples that say I love you the first week. But with not saying it I definitely think that you somewhat still have 'the upper hand' because they don't take you for granted.

This is dead on my how my ex has been. "Oh I cheated on you because you were not supporting me emotionally" "we weren't together" "I was lost" A bunch of BS.
WHEN/IF she would apologize it was always "I'm sorry I am such a bad gf" trying to make me feel bad for her as she was crying. Oh this girl was good and had me fooled several times. Once I started calling her out on her manipulation, she would blow up and say how dare you, I just apologized. Lets just say I could tell it wasn't a real apology. I would try to tell her how I give, give and give but get nothing in return, she would say, "I don't know how to give you what you want". How freaking hard is it to huge someone, say I'm sorry you're going through that and just be there to comfort them when they are down? Too F**KING hard for her because it took the attention off of her and her "problems. She always seeks attention from guys, always had some sad story about her life, has new guys numbers on her phone saying "it's an old friend I went to school with" but boy did all hell break lose when a girls number appeared on my phone when I wasn't seeking anything other than a friend to talk to because she "couldn't" support me emotionally. I would cry to her almost to the extent of begging her to let me know she cared about me but would get pretty much nothing back, like she fed off of my tears. But boy anytime she would be upset how she expected me to be there to lean on and if i wasn't, i was a bad bf. When I would finally get tired of it and stop talking, she would lay on the sob stories about how alone she was and is at home on a Friday night crying. Always twisting everything to be my fault and never would admit when wrong. Always placing blame on me. Oh she was good and I was a fool to fall for it. Not anymore. Let some other poor soul be fooled by her. I would put her name in here to let all men beware of her but I'm not that type of person lol. But boy how do I want to post her picture all over town and warn every poor weak man out there. I don't disrespect a man that can be fooled by a woman like this, I jsut feel bad for them and the pain they will or are going through. It's destructive cycle that will beat you down to the point of where you feeling you are going completely crazy and feel worthless. Oh and she would play the worthless card all the time. F**k she was good. Beware of these GIRLS men, they will tear you down to you are practially nothing and then leave you when you finally realize what is going on and stand your ground to feed on some other poor soul. They will have you so wrapped up in them to where you literally question your own sanity. TRUST ME, I KNOW. I finally cut her loose and guess what, that same night she tried sucking me back in by telling me she is going to be alone all weekend and sent me some lame verse from a song. Not going to work this time b**ch.

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This is dead on my how my ex has been. "Oh I cheated on you because you were not supporting me emotionally" "we weren't together" "I was lost" A bunch of BS.
WHEN/IF she would apologize it was always "I'm sorry I am such a bad gf" trying to make me feel bad for her as she was crying. Oh this girl was good and had me fooled several times. Once I started calling her out on her manipulation, she would blow up and say how dare you, I just apologized. Lets just say I could tell it wasn't a real apology. I would try to tell her how I give, give and give but get nothing in return, she would say, "I don't know how to give you what you want". How freaking hard is it to huge someone, say I'm sorry you're going through that and just be there to comfort them when they are down? Too F**KING hard for her because it took the attention off of her and her "problems. She always seeks attention from guys, always had some sad story about her life, has new guys numbers on her phone saying "it's an old friend I went to school with" but boy did all hell break lose when a girls number appeared on my phone when I wasn't seeking anything other than a friend to talk to because she "couldn't" support me emotionally. I would cry to her almost to the extent of begging her to let me know she cared about me but would get pretty much nothing back, like she fed off of my tears. But boy anytime she would be upset how she expected me to be there to lean on and if i wasn't, i was a bad bf. When I would finally get tired of it and stop talking, she would lay on the sob stories about how alone she was and is at home on a Friday night crying. Always twisting everything to be my fault and never would admit when wrong. Always placing blame on me. Oh she was good and I was a fool to fall for it. Not anymore. Let some other poor soul be fooled by her. I would put her name in here to let all men beware of her but I'm not that type of person lol. But boy how do I want to post her picture all over town and warn every poor weak man out there. I don't disrespect a man that can be fooled by a woman like this, I jsut feel bad for them and the pain they will or are going through. It's destructive cycle that will beat you down to the point of where you feeling you are going completely crazy and feel worthless. Oh and she would play the worthless card all the time. F**k she was good. Beware of these GIRLS men, they will tear you down to you are practially nothing and then leave you when you finally realize what is going on and stand your ground to feed on some other poor soul. They will have you so wrapped up in them to where you literally question your own sanity. TRUST ME, I KNOW. I finally cut her loose and guess what, that same night she tried sucking me back in by telling me she is going to be alone all weekend and sent me some lame verse from a song. Not going to work this time b**ch.

Just read through this thread for the first time and I have to agree with the above.
My first HB10 was bipoler with every one of Macks criteria. I had only been in the game for a couple of years and was well pleased with pulling her at the time- the reason I managed I think was I totally feigned indifference to her looks and challenged her from day one (which I think nobody had ever done to her) so at first things were ok but then the mood all changed once she got her hooks into me and not knowing what was going on due to inner game problems I was drawn into this shit. After I introduced her to my sisters they fucking hated her and knew the score straight away but even so I wasn't having any of it. My sis said "it will end in tears" and it did. It ended one night when she totally lost it in a club so I walked out and when she tried to grab me she fell over in a puddle so she told some guy I had thrown her over. His AFC mate who wanted to be the Knight in shining armour to an HB10 knocked me clean out and I ended up in hospital.

Totally fucked her off after that but ended having to go to the police for her damaging my car and spreading rumours. Got off lucky though: her next boyfriend fucked her off when she tried the same shit so she got another guy to spray "Paedophile" on his house and the poor fucker got bottled in the face for being a nonce a week later!

Last I heard she was in a fucking nut house without her front teeth because some other guy had just snapped and literally kicked fuck out of her.

So if there is a moral here: trust your sis's and moms intuition and run as fast as you can when you meet one of these types because as my sis said" It will all end in tears"

LMAO!

sorry you got punched man, that is never cool.

but the rest of your story (the way you told it) had me fucking rolling in laughter!

haha, toothless bitch. lmao

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