i started the LTR gone sour for the second time, she lost interest thread. So believe me i know how you feel, i see my ex every single day! We spent every single day together in the same bed for three months over the holiday, and now we act like strangers. We did some fucking kinky shit together, and now we awkwardly greet each other.

Other people know how you feel, you just have to man up, and do other things to take your mind off of her. Focus on the bad shit about your ex, i know what helped me is i thought about all the shit i never used to find attractive in the beginning, but after loving someone you tend to love them with there faults. MOVE ON MOVE ON MOVE ON MOVE ON MOVE ON MOVE ON MOVE ON. Keep telling yourself that, and once you have, you can decide in a more rational mindset whether to, or whether not to re-enter in the relationship. Feelings are temporary. Becoming a man and a man that you can be proud of is forever.

I know. Most of us been down that road before when we meet someone we liked we fall in total AFC mode and they sh*t test us to submission and then our actions cause us to fail. It's a fact of life.

DO NOT EVER self-pity yourself. Stress and anxiety is a normal process of failure.

Neediness is not your fault. You should blame the North American educational institution for teaching ALL OF US this. We are taught that we "NEED" to achieve goals and that we "NEED" to do everything told to be successful.
So what you are doing is pre-programmed by the schools. The higher the education you get, the more you will screw up with girls because the more the "NEED" to do anything will be re-enforced, the more the girls will stay away from you! Instead of focusing on the need to achieve goals, FOCUS on the process which need improving on yourself and your life in general. The result will be attracting the girls you want; basically letting them "cum" to you rather you chase them. I was once told by a successful businessman and who's also a bloody good player with women (he's in sales and scored very well) that most people want to get rich, so they always need to find ways to get rich fast and yet always get scammed most of the time. He said simply, find a need to improve yourself and work hard because making lots of money is simply a byproduct of your hard work. Which is why the natural Alpha male get all the girls. They compartmentalize their needs to improve themselves so they can project themselves to women in a way that every time he's around them, he gets their pussies wet. Women make this determination within about a minute or a 10 seconds of meeting with you! Obviously when a woman is horny, they want a man to fuck em. Women in general want boyfriends for sex and husbands for procreation. They don't need boyfriends as their emotional tampon. Understand this concept before you make yourself into a new man ok, so that you keep her pussy always wet!

Watch Tip/Tuck whysoskinny and observe Christian Troy's character. This is how you should ALWAYS strive to be with women and you will have an endless supply of them chasing after your cock like it was their last meal. You will NEVER be needy around women again. Watch how effortlessly he passes their tests, watch how he acts like he doesn't give a fuck about them or what they think of him and above all watch how fearlessly he seduces them and fucks them like they are all little ragdolls. There are times when he is beta (he asks a girl to marry him), but for the most part he is alpha as fuck.

I fucked up, she went out last night and didnt even message me. I heard from my friends that guys were hitting on her all night. She didnt really do anything back, she messaged me a bit, barely anything.

I spoke to her a bit, asked her if everything is alright, and then said if anything is on her mind, she said nope.

She fell asleep, and i gave her 4 audio notes about how good it use to be and how i give her a lot and it isnt returned and i care for her and love her and i feel vulnerable. I was just being honest. I feel so lost, and so anxious. I have lost appetite and everything.

Is this over. Like honestly i just dont know what to say tomorrow when she messages me herself, because she is going to wake up and listen to these, either its over then or it will be soon.

FUCK

Why don't you just reread the entire thread again. Delete her number, block all forms of contact with her, NO Contact. You don't follow anybody's advice, so why keep asking for it.

lol, the best advice in his gave will be to lose this girl, you'll never get back to "normal".
you gotta learn from your mistakes and well you'll see it once this is all over!

by the way, just realise how it's all about her! in your mind at least when it should be about you....

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This relationship is now a learning experience to better prepare you for your next one. Good God you fucked up, but hey, I've been there before.

But she hasnt broken up with me, and she hasnt ended it with me.... we are talking right now

i have similar problem. i cut all contact and then she came crawling back and I accepted it. now she starts shitting on me again and I let myself back into this role. time to man up. i'm just going to ditch the bitch. no one is worth that hassle

she loses... you win and she calls trying to get you back and you fuck her and then tell her you have to go and thats the only way it goes. they won't change....and dont let them change you

Topcat is completely right, they have become so used to all the love and attention from you, that when you take it away and treat them like a slut, that you just fuck and have no feelings for, it makes them realise they took your love and affection for granted. And even if she does eventually realise that she really does love you, she will do the same shit over and over. Use her as a fuck buddy, not now anyways, but maybe once you have completely gotten over her. But never go back.

Guys,

I have re -read this thread and I realize that I have been a complete and utter looser. My posts are basically the same, and you guys gave me advice and for some reason I couldn't follow it. I don't know why, but yes I see I am needy.

To sum up everything in this tread revolving around my situation. I have to:

Start being the men, make her work for it, never invest more in the relationship than she is. I need to understand that women are like cats - give them too much attention and they will withdraw. I am to never say I love you to her (even if she says it to me?). Make sure she is contacting double amount of time as I am. That my actions speak louder than words. Dont ever let a woman pull you into her emotions. Dont let the girl know she has you under her thumb, because when you do, thats when its over (evidently... fuck me ha). Men ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE EMOTIONAL. And I am to "back the fuck off".

I know that this relationship is probably over, I displayed weak "beta" shit and I look like an idiot. If I was to end it or back off and write her an email saying I think we should take a break, I should of done it before when I tried to say it but didnt even get around to doing it. Plus, I hate to admit it, I want to hear from her and be with her knowing she wont hook up with other guys even if its for a little while longer (sad I know - the reality of this is i love her).

I realize that the person who cares least in the relationship has control.

These are my rules from now on:
- Never message her first.
-When she is asleep and I am awake, I use to give her messages to wake up to, but now I am not to.
-I never mention anything heavy or about feelings, and I keep it light
-No I love you or I miss you unless she does to me
-I only message her, when I am replying to her.

What do you guys think of this, do you agree? Even though this may be hard I am going to do this. Do you think this might work? -- Also, if I never message her first, won't she just be like, fuck this, what's the point in being in this relationship if he isn't going to talk to me. Also, she is different than most girls, she is VERY relaxed, chill. Imagine those girls who are dramatic, talk, gossip, she is the opposite of them. Complete opposite. This is why sometimes I wonder, am I over thinking things, maybe it's fine and I am doing this to myself. Anyways, please let me know what you think of all this and my "plan".

Lastly, I dont get it. I just dont fucking get it. I see myself as a catch, better than average looking, good guy, funny, witty, etc. The point is, doesnt every girl want a guy who is sweet, loving, caring, honest, says cute things to the girl. I gave her that. It resulted in her saying things less and wanting it less. I just DONT understand.

Nope... They say they want it... They believe that they want it... But when they get it, they get bored with it...

So, you can be non caring asshole... She will chase you like crazy, then she will get annoyed and dump you for nice sweet caring guy...
You can be sweet,caring guy... She will get bored and dump you for non caring asshole...

So, you can try to find a balance and maybe keep the girl..
Or you can find desperate girl, and be whatever you want

Read this article first..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... riend.html

In general, women always fall in love SLOWER than men. It's old news, but there are people out there SELLING B.S including Hollywood that it is the man who needs to chase a woman. What you are doing now is you are chasing the woman.
The message out there that a man needs to chase a woman is wrong. What's right is that a man should chase the woman's interest level and make sure it is always kept high. How do you do that? To make a relationship a companion to your own life, not the main stay of your life. So you need to be out there with lots of interests and hobbies and that a woman is there to provide you with emotional support and sex when you are down! They like that.

Women do like men like you and us; sweet, affectionate, honest and talk light and funny plus being able to forgive. This is important because this is a true test of your ego. They do not like men act like girlfriends, which is why "jerks" always get the girls. Because jerks don't care about being their girlfriends. Jerks want sex and then they walk away which get the girls nuts. Don't be a jerk though, because that's what causing so many problems with women these days. They think us Alphas acting aloof and non-chalant plus being unforgiving equate to jerks and sometimes we have to act indifferent to their attitudes until they wake up and realize this Alpha is a nice guy with a confident male attitude, but also sweet and caring. Which is why women in general fall in love SLOWER!! They evaluate us for a time period and then commit! Watch the French movie "Amour" or Love with the subtitles and learn why it is such a moving movie with the men showing full love to her woman even she's completely disabled. Are you prepared to go all the way?!? Relationship is not what you really think like giving her the morning calls etc.. It is much more than that. You need to build you own life so you can prepare yourself for this.

You my friend committed EVERYTHING in the first week or days or so I think. She thinks you're too easy, too needy and too gay if she has gay friends. She is not and won't have sex with a gay or girlfriend. And that's what you are sadly to say.

You NEED to build a life first. Don't date, just build a life. And in that life, you will eventually meet a woman of equal stature and you will forget this girl. This girl is not your life, not your future girlfriend and wife. She is just a person training you to become a real man!

You can still be a caring asshole and still keep the girl, but you must remain Alpha. In the end, a woman needs a caring person but they don't need a non-caring asshole beta back-sliding dude. Being an Alpha is NOT being a non-caring asshole. Being a true Alpha is about carrying the woman with forgiveness. If you are unforgiving, expect to move from one relationship to another. Probably that's what you are experiencing now?

One of the biggest mistakes we all do...

When you chase and beg the girl you think you show that you love her and that you are caring guy... But in reallity you are decreasing not just your own but her value as well...

You actually give her picture that you cant have anyone else and that you are desperate. So how it makes her look? "Damn, this poor looser cant get anyone except me... So if I m dating a looser, it means that I m not some catch, so it means that i m a looser too... Am i even able to get any better guy then this?"

Can you see the point? Do you want to be with some desperate low value girl that cant have any other guy except you?