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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 4:07 pm 
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Why you currently feel the need to have an opener!
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Just started browsing some of this guys videos and I have to say, they are on point! I wish this is the stuff I was watching and listening too when first trying to align myself with my personal intentions. It would have saved me from reading into the canned bullsh*t and f*cking with my own head. This guy tells you like it is which is basically present yourself with no expectations. Just have fun and if you can, do NOT think at all. Just go. Things work out when you allow them to. That sick gut feeling you get is your body telling you that you are over thinking a simple-a$$ situation.

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Thanks for the kind words man.

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I kind of agree with you but for a newbie, there is need for openers because just going up to a girl saying hi or how are you doesn't show any value and is downright creepy without the proper body language. The key is body language, maybe you have that part down but a new guy in game hasn't. Besides, every AFC chode approaches with hello, hi so the girl hot ones especially who get approached a lot automatically assume you are one of them and put up their bitch shield.

That is when an opener comes in handy, opinion openers are useful for this reason you come off as non-threatening and engage the girl in a conversation. Direct openers show confidence even if your body language is lying and with time once you get the BL down, you can open with anything really.


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I kind of agree with you but for a newbie, there is need for openers because just going up to a girl saying hi or how are you doesn't show any value and is downright creepy without the proper body language. The key is body language, maybe you have that part down but a new guy in game hasn't. Besides, every AFC chode approaches with hello, hi so the girl hot ones especially who get approached a lot automatically assume you are one of them and put up their bitch shield.

That is when an opener comes in handy, opinion openers are useful for this reason you come off as non-threatening and engage the girl in a conversation. Direct openers show confidence even if your body language is lying and with time once you get the BL down, you can open with anything really.
The reason it is "hard" for you is because you are thinking of all the gamey bullshit you are reading on here. You talk to friends and family without a hesitation right? You express your opinion and point out an observation correct? So, why does that change when you meet another person you aren't as acquainted too?

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The reason it is "hard" for you is because you are thinking of all the gamey bullshit you are reading on here. You talk to friends and family without a hesitation right? You express your opinion and point out an observation correct? So, why does that change when you meet another person you aren't as acquainted too?
You lost me at "gamey bullshit". I thought that was RSD's mantra being all natural etc. Anyway, i am not saying going all natural and without routines isn't going to work but for a beginner, it is better to have some interesting things to say than just expressing whatever is on the mind especially when guys new to game don't even know what to say to a girl.

I started off by being indirect and asking for directions, it is such a low risk opener that getting blown out from that is impossible so it was easy to continue doing this. Transitioning was even easier, there are shit ton of things you can say to transition, nowadays, after opening i just tell her i don't really need to know the directions and wanted to talk to her but i can do that without coming off as creepy because i am more relaxed now.

I can't imagine how the reactions would have been if i just approached with a hi or whatever was on my mind being all nervous that i was. Actually i do, my second cold approach i opened a girl who was in the same exam room as me (from different university) right after school and she wasn't very receptive (i asked her how her exam was). Thinking back, my approach was a mess, my voice cracked and i was hella nervous.


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I can't imagine how the reactions would have been if i just approached with a hi or whatever was on my mind being all nervous that i was. Actually i do, my second cold approach i opened a girl who was in the same exam room as me (from different university) right after school and she wasn't very receptive (i asked her how her exam was). Thinking back, my approach was a mess, my voice cracked and i was hella nervous.
One approach of saying "hi" while being awkward didn't work is proof that it doesn't work? I think this is a problem with a lot of new guys...they run on their imaginations. They imagine that something will work and something won't without putting in the effort to find out.

I've said "hi" and introduced myself on countless occasions and got great results. I've also used openers and had some good results but at a lesser rate and also led to conversations that seemed to drop off. For me specifically, I thrive off of simplicity and a less scripted approach and a majority of the time it starts with a simple "hi".

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I can't imagine how the reactions would have been if i just approached with a hi or whatever was on my mind being all nervous that i was. Actually i do, my second cold approach i opened a girl who was in the same exam room as me (from different university) right after school and she wasn't very receptive (i asked her how her exam was). Thinking back, my approach was a mess, my voice cracked and i was hella nervous.
One approach of saying "hi" while being awkward didn't work is proof that it doesn't work? I think this is a problem with a lot of new guys...they run on their imaginations. They imagine that something will work and something won't without putting in the effort to find out.

I've said "hi" and introduced myself on countless occasions and got great results. I've also used openers and had some good results but at a lesser rate and also led to conversations that seemed to drop off. For me specifically, I thrive off of simplicity and a less scripted approach and a majority of the time it starts with a simple "hi".
Sure, it may work on fuglies and really average girls but if you are approaching the 9s and 10s and really hot ones, good luck going anywhere with "hi" approach. Maybe the reason you had average results with your openers was because your delivery was average or maybe your openers sucked.


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I can't imagine how the reactions would have been if i just approached with a hi or whatever was on my mind being all nervous that i was. Actually i do, my second cold approach i opened a girl who was in the same exam room as me (from different university) right after school and she wasn't very receptive (i asked her how her exam was). Thinking back, my approach was a mess, my voice cracked and i was hella nervous.
One approach of saying "hi" while being awkward didn't work is proof that it doesn't work? I think this is a problem with a lot of new guys...they run on their imaginations. They imagine that something will work and something won't without putting in the effort to find out.

I've said "hi" and introduced myself on countless occasions and got great results. I've also used openers and had some good results but at a lesser rate and also led to conversations that seemed to drop off. For me specifically, I thrive off of simplicity and a less scripted approach and a majority of the time it starts with a simple "hi".
Sure, it may work on fuglies and really average girls but if you are approaching the 9s and 10s and really hot ones, good luck going anywhere with "hi" approach. Maybe the reason you had average results with your openers was because your delivery was average or maybe your openers sucked.
Lol That's been my problem? Thanks for your insight.

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The unfortunate side to this forum is some guys shit all over any piece of solid advice.

If your a guy who says "its because your opener sucked"...your waaaaaaay behind the other guy in terms of healthy mindsets and consistent success.

Guys who rely on openers or verbal words as a way to get chicks...Its so unfortunate. I shall keep sharing regardless.

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