Hi

I am YoungMan from London (originally German) and I'm 22 years old. I'm a second year Physics student, but I basically put all my time in my band where I play guitar. Over the summer we play loads of gigs around London and we hopefully will make some major progress. We play the sort of psychedelic rock that seems to be getting big again in America but no one plays around here.

Well, anyway it's a good way to get to know people too. Apart from that I model once in a while and party and drink with my friends over the long summer holidays.

Even though I've had times before where I slept with a lot of different girls, this really seemed down to luck and to their low self-esteem. I also got with 9s or 10s before but I could never sex close or even kiss close. I think I just behaved wrong somewhere along the way and they lost interest after a second date.

I only got into the Game recently when I came across David DeAngelo's book and read Neil Strauss' and now Mystery's book. Even though I've turned every interaction I'm having with girls into cocky&funny I've only tried out negging and the number between 1 and 10 trick last weekend on a party. It worked okay, but I'm still a bit shy and feel it will look odd when I just run into a group of girls. For them and for other people seeing it.

After reading a few books I thought that getting advise from real people will make me become more engaged in this. I found this forum and preferred it to the UK one because people seemed nicer and more genuinely interested in helping each other and come up with new stuff (even though it's packed with advertisement )

So, I think I have covered every aspect of an introduction. Let the game begin

mate...I've been in the 'game awhile and in that time mixed with pro's and well known pua's

ADVICE:you have value..ie:you are good looking (u model) you play music (telented) & study physics (brains)-shit you sound like me!!-joking,
but seriously stop with the routines those are there to demo your value, but you already have this, what you need to learn to do is:
1.open-this can be hi I'm young man
2.draw people into your reality-this means making people wonder who is this guy,you can do this by being unpredictable and different to the masses
3.being comfortable in your own skin(inner game)-this is more complicated if you pm me I will try to help if required.

mate...I've been in the 'game awhile and in that time mixed with pro's and well known pua's

ADVICE:you have value..ie:you are good looking (u model) you play music (telented) & study physics (brains)-shit you sound like me!!-joking,
but seriously stop with the routines those are there to demo your value, but you already have this, what you need to learn to do is:
1.open-this can be hi I'm young man
2.draw people into your reality-this means making people wonder who is this guy,you can do this by being unpredictable and different to the masses
3.being comfortable in your own skin(inner game)-this is more complicated if you pm me I will try to help if required.

It is probably that I sometimes don't seem to feel comfortable in my own skin. Especially when all my friends are around. It's hard to crack jokes around my friends that aren't really good, so that might be one of the reasons for it. But I might actually pm you about that.

Opening is the most difficult thing to me. Tonight, I tried it twice and it both worked, fortunately. I was in a club with my friends and just being very aloof and not too drunk. So I first just tried the "You are really very touchy" on two girls who accidentally bumped into me on the dancefloor. I tried negging the two more, so first when a guy came up and the HB6 of them started making out with him I said to the HB7: "Aw, too bad that could have been you. You have to work on yourself." and when I saw them again to the HB7 "So, still haven't picked up anybody? You seem really desperate." Don't know if that was ideal, but the two started making out in front of me and approaching me. Then I did a stupid thing and left when another guy approached and my friends were both away, kinda hoping them to following, but they didn't.

After that I asked a girl where one of the doors there was leading to, but at the same time my friend introduced himself to her friend, so that must have come across a bit stupid.

I think once I get a bit aloof I get a bit caught up in it and even if I open up a set leave it cause I think there might be prettier girls around.

Yeah, finding comfort in your own skin should be your priority, you have all the other necessary stuff...I go out most weekends come along some time...

but mate don't neg girls for no reason only do this if she tries to pit herself higher than you..and even then remain non-reactive but at some point throw a neg if you like...although usually just maintaining your vibe despite her rudeness is a strong move.
THE PERSON WITH THE STRONGEST REALITY WINS!!!! this is the single most important sentence any guy trying to improve with girls can learn.

Peace.

Actually, I thought the "Are you trying to touch me" stuff kind of worked. I've also tried opening once last weekend with "Ouch you are squeezing me" when on a sofa and a girl leaned over me to talk to somebody else next to me. That made her immediately strike up a conversation.
Maybe this stuff is more cocky&funny than negging.

And at the moment I don't really know how to come off non-interested without c&f/negging. I still always do it with a smile, or something I seem to keep doing is looking at her and with a light smile slowly shaking my head after having said something c&f.
Especially in clubs, where you don't really have the chance to say too much (because of the loud music) it seems the easiest way to throw in something she didn't expect.

How do you open in clubs/on the dancefloor when the aim is rather to draw her attention than to start a conversation?