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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:57 am 
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I started out learning about the MM and revelation about three months ago. During the first few weeks when I started I was rushing at fraternities and so I got a lot of experience in storytelling and gained confidence as someone who can take the lead. During this period of three to four weeks, I was getting good results but I would still end up drinking natty lights. I remember one night when I was party hopping, and I walked around on the street adjacent to my dorm (this street is called n high st. and is full of bars and clubs). On this night I did not drink one drop of alcohol and yet I was able to hop into a party after a few hours walking around. I noticed that my energy got up from all the people on the streets yelling and stuff this night (it was football night and the home team won). Anyways I was pretty good at gaming but I did not get results still. I had with me a hand buzzer which would break the ice and raise buying temperature on some of the girls I was talking to. Another amazing night where I drank only a few beers but went into a party sober (it was a huge one overcrowded and shit) and I was so confident when talking to any person (guy or girl) there. I remember that I games a four set (two girls two guys) for like 30 minutes, but to no avail in the end.

Fast forward to now: I am drinking heavily (four loko) before going out everytime I go out. I have had dumb things happen to me as a result. Note that I have lost that confidence I had in the first four weeks. A lot of people know me around campus --the important ones anyways (there are like 50000 students on campus I go to OSU). However, I did not join any clubs or get involved in the campus, other than volunteer at the medical center). Since I went to online high school for the latter 3years, I have lost contact with all friends). I never seem to have developed the ability to form a kind of familial bond with people. (I did this a few times when I was young and thus had a few close friends). I need to know how to build my social circle; yes, I have contacts but I can never become the dude to chill with on the weekends for some reason.

I have decided to drink not one more drop; I will take energy drinks but will no longer pregame before I go into clubs. Many of you might say that I have here solved the problem... (partially, maybe)

The furthest I ever got was C1 phase (I asked a girl to come with me to the couch cuz music was too loud at a party and she came. But, she sat away from me) Could it have still been a3? Regardless, this was during the first few weeks of school. I am finding myself grow frustrated as I continue to not get any poon. Hate to admit but I am 20 and still a virgin. I am determined and will keep going out. I wrote an agreement to myself to go out 5 nights a week last time I came home shitfaced. This is my first true post in this community. I have tried to explain my situation as best I can so if you guys want more information about any field experience I have gained, please ask. I am grateful that a community like yours exists and hope to benefit from it.


P.S. I use pheromones, and while I do get intense IOIs everywhere I go as a result, my utter lack of game is killing me inside :(


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Hey man, welcome!

Just for some perspective, I was a virgin at 19, and I spent 4 years with the girl I lost my virginity to. After reading the Game, I spent at least a YEAR, if not longer, going out almost every weekend and I didn't get laid ONCE.

My game generally turned around when I started having a bunch of shit going on in my life, was making new friends, and felt like I had a direction and some goals. Girls are generally attracted to men who know what they want in life, are at least attempting to get somewhere and do something, if not already achieving success, have male and female friends, and are generally confident and relaxed.

I would focus less on whether you're in "A3 or C1" and focus more on cultivating interests that put you in contact with guys and girls of value and status as much as possible. Strike up conversations with people you don't know randomly. Tell the check out girl at your local supermarket you like the way she's done her hair. Ask your favourite bartender where he got his awesome tattoo. Go around and just be honestly curious about people, interested to hear their stories, appreciative of them, without expecting anything in return.

Join a gym, get fit - DO THE CLASSES! How many hot girls are in the yoga classes! Strike up a conversation with them. Now you have some hot female friends to hang out with! A female perspective on your dating issues, and instant social proof when you go out ;-)

As for cultivating connections, it all comes down to not seeming needy, providing value through being fun, making introductions, getting people into clubs, or just being a generous guy and buying drinks for people. Then, establish a few common interests, and you've set up a new thing to do next time!

Gaming dudes is easy. Compliment them on something, ask them about it, joke around a bit, find out a common interest, and say you should hang out and do that thing. Number close, and then K-CLOSE THAT SHIT, YEAH!

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Blondguy tackled the social issues;good advise.

@Nayyar.6-It sem to me that you're not investing in any of your targets.

Meaning,you're going half ass.

With the girl whom you'd taken to a quiter spot but she sat at a distance.

You should've sat 1st then playfully pull her upon your legs or lap to sit a bit,then tell her to get off(playfully).

No excuse for her sitting a far.Get next to her.All you had to do was move closer and sit side to side with your shoulders touching.

The girl is not responsibe for setting the right logistics(seating,etc.).

It's up to the socially-apt guy to create the logistics.

This stuff maybe advanced to you but learn it plz.

Any HB Im moving to the lounge area of a club,Im taking her by the hand/fingers,lead her,sit down and pull her down on my lap,give her a light-bullshit shoulder massage then tell her playfully,"Ok,thats enough,get off".

I think that's a Matador move of Venusian Arts.

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Blondguy tackled the social issues;good advise.

@Nayyar.6-It sem to me that you're not investing in any of your targets.

Meaning,you're going half ass.

With the girl whom you'd taken to a quiter spot but she sat at a distance.

You should've sat 1st then playfully pull her upon your legs or lap to sit a bit,then tell her to get off(playfully).

No excuse for her sitting a far.Get next to her.All you had to do was move closer and sit side to side with your shoulders touching.

The girl is not responsibe for setting the right logistics(seating,etc.).

It's up to the socially-apt guy to create the logistics.

This stuff maybe advanced to you but learn it plz.

Any HB Im moving to the lounge area of a club,Im taking her by the hand/fingers,lead her,sit down and pull her down on my lap,give her a light-bullshit shoulder massage then tell her playfully,"Ok,thats enough,get off".

I think that's a Matador move of Venusian Arts.
Okay... I get the part where you said that I am not investing enough in the people I interact with. Here is what happens:

I talk to the persons for a few minutes in the club, then I usually get their contact (this is happening even more so now since I recently got the idea of distributing my beats to rappers in clubs-- I am a hiphop producer and do trance and techno too). I have gotten people to instantly follow me to a club from the street because I get so energized from being out there. For example, two weeks ago, I was heading to a club called Icon where the top performers hang out (I heard about this club from a friend of mine who is about to get pretty big-- this guy, let's call him Meech has amazing social status, he is fucking supermodels and knows too many people to count and he's from the suburbs). I met Meech in a club and we chill st times when I see him at a club. Anyways, when I was on the bus heading to Icon in downtown, I talked to everyone and made friends with an Indian guy who looked to be a model. Got off the bus and headed to Icon.

In my second week of sarging I noted that even if I drink b4 going out, I will only be in a good position when I get to a social event if I open sets on the street on the way to the event. And I've noticed that if all I open are sets with guys, confidence goes up and I can open mixed sets (but I still focus on the guys in those mixed sets). If on the other hand I start out of the dorm opening sets of girls I know the night will be s potential success. Is there any advice on positive social momentum that you guys can give me? (Oh and by the way I most often Sarge alone and have not yet gotten to know guys who are good at winging).

Please give me more advice on how to cultivate my social circle after I add these peoples on facebook or get their phone #s. I seem to have trouble with this and seem only to get them interested in chilling with me if I can offer something to them (like help on homework) Lol.

One final note, I have a fear of calling up girls after I get their numbers the next day. Hard to believe considering it is just a phone convo. Any advice here?


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I thought I was the only Trance & Techno fan(lol).

You're doing everything right when it comes to cultivating the social thing.

To build my state when Im off to social settings,I usually talk to random strangers.

So you're doing the right thing to build the social state.

I dont see U having probs' at social gaming.

Point is to be social,and you are being social in general.

I think your only prob' is when it comes to closing the girl.

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I have a fear of calling up girls after I get their numbers the next day. Hard to believe considering it is just a phone convo. Any advice here?
Don't be a pussy. Just DO IT. You'll only learn by practicing until you get it right.

Generally, just call like a day or two after, time constraint, be playful and fun and flirty, joke about something you guys were talking about, throw in a quick DHV story, and then figure out something that you both are into and create the day 2 based on that. Then figure out when you're both free and fucking HIT THAT SHIT.

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Blondguy,you're so direct(lmao)!!

But great advise on calling.

I just wanna add:

In order the alleviate anxiety about calling,before you call the target,first call someone you're already acquainted with:a friend,ex-,brother,whoever!!

Chat with them in a high tone for a second just to build state,then call the girl right after.

It's always worked for me.

But to straight up just get out the shower and head for the phone can be full of anxiety for many guys.

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Try this man, it's worked for me in the past for night clubs.

Go out with any female friends. If not become friends with a group of below par girls, it doesn't matter.

When ever you go out to night clubs with girls you get so much more eye contact and kino from other girls in the club. I promise you that this was so successful for me in the past. You get loads of hastle from AMOG's and AFC's who are out clubbing with the lads, but as long as you keep your cool then this technique is a winner 8)


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Try this man, it's worked for me in the past for night clubs.

Go out with any female friends. If not become friends with a group of below par girls, it doesn't matter.

When ever you go out to night clubs with girls you get so much more eye contact and kino from other girls in the club. I promise you that this was so successful for me in the past. You get loads of hastle from AMOG's and AFC's who are out clubbing with the lads, but as long as you keep your cool then this technique is a winner 8)
I can second that, girls make the best wingmen and the only side effects are that sometimes like mdog said you get some shit from guy's guys and also some people may think you're gay (both have happened to me). But it definitely makes you come off as more approachable.


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Try this man, it's worked for me in the past for night clubs.

Go out with any female friends. If not become friends with a group of below par girls, it doesn't matter.

When ever you go out to night clubs with girls you get so much more eye contact and kino from other girls in the club. I promise you that this was so successful for me in the past. You get loads of hastle from AMOG's and AFC's who are out clubbing with the lads, but as long as you keep your cool then this technique is a winner 8)
I can second that, girls make the best wingmen and the only side effects are that sometimes like mdog said you get some shit from guy's guys and also some people may think you're gay (both have happened to me). But it definitely makes you come off as more approachable.
Dude, I was in scotland for like 1 month "studying abroad". More like clubbing and drinking abroad. But, I did not get IOIs and I was at the university with like 60 american girls, many of which I would go sometimes alone to the bar with. I was one of five guys there. My buddy usually came along with all of us. I did not notice any of the HB10s there (most are HB 10 in Scotland) giving me any IOIs at clubs. When I was with four girls at a McDonalds I noticed that some girls who looked like prostitutes were giving me IOIs (McDonalds is a classy restaurant and clean and shit in Scotland). At this time I was an AFC guy who did not open them. I only got major IOIs from the hottest girls in the clubs over there when I was alone or with my buddy. Perhaps I need to have HB 7 and above in order to get significant IOIs? Oh, and I was not alpha in that I would not lead them places. I guess this was a problem. It was after I came back from Scotland that I realized that changes need to be made. Here in OSU, I have trouble making close friends like I did in Scotland since there are so many students (like 50000); everyday I am seeing new people. This however I have realized is to my advantage since I can fuck up as much as I want and still have loads of girls to choose from.


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