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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:55 pm 
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Hello, guys.

I'm new here at the forum, but not new to PU. I currently live in Zagreb, Croatia, so it would be great to get together with some of you Croatian PUAs and go together sarging. I realized that it would help my (and your) progress a lot if we would wing rather than going out alone (which I am more or less forced now and then). I recently also read The Game and a few very interesting points came to my attention. Pretty much a quote that I liked and which me motivated to register here and post was "But Casanova was forced to work alone. We have each other." Besides, all the masters say that one should surround oneself with people good at PU. I think it would be a good idea to follow that advice. :)

I'll give a small rundown on who I am (followed by a few reports on my recent experiences that were mostly C&B). :)

I'm 24 years old and I love women. I started socializing myself better and going out already in high school, but it wasn't until 3 and a half years ago that I actually discovered the community. Ever since I have started to work on my inner game. I would sometimes (which really wasn't that often) try a few tactics on girls I knew from college or otherwise to see how far I can get. Inner game training became a general area of my life. It was always in the back of my head.

I am a social person and I love to party, but girls simply weren't working out so well. I did attempt a couple of cold approaches (some even went fairly ok and I got a few #closes and/or time bridges), but generally nothing really happened. I pretty much saw my general inner game and insecurity as problem and started slowly working on it. I soon lost most interest in PU and didn't really go around the community anymore. It wasn't that I didn't want it, it was more that I wanted to get some other stuff done in the meantime as well (which was college and, later, my career). But I never stopped improving my inner game in general. I wanted the confidence, I wanted the lack of neediness and I wanted to know who I am down cold. At first I obviously sometimes came over as arrogant (I even felt it within me that I was acting arrogant and being perceived as arrogant), but that dropped as soon as I stopped trying to work so hard. Actually screwing up with those girls was the thing that properly implemented the mentality of women being abundant to me. The more I screwed up, the easier it was to get over it. I realized how far I had gotten when I recovered from a girl's direct rejection after just one day.

Here's some background. Feel free to skip the italic written part if you're not interested so much (though the massive C&B report in the second half might be more appealing to you).

So at the beginning this year something happened. I was out with friends in a bar (the 5 of us, 3 guys, the GF of one of them and me) and 3 girls who were friends of one of my buddies. At about midnight the friends went off and I stayed with the 3 girls and up until then I had generally conveyed my good personality so I assumed attraction was there. The funny thing is that this very day I told myself that I would close a girl. I just knew I would do it. And it happened. The 3 of us were messing around (the UG of the group wasn't so social and was only talking to one of the girls so I was mostly working the other two). I didn't really have a target, though, I had an arbitrary target (the alpha-female in this case). At one point, before the night was almost over at 2 AM, I realized that the other girl was actually attracted to me. So I did a mini-isolation where we moved a few feet away and say on a couch. That's when it hit me that my arbitrary target was actually into me. She was playfully trying to bust on me (throwing a pillow at me, lol). She was jealous that I picked her friend over her because she showed more initiative. :D I was laughing my ass off and nobody really knew why. So, anyway, the two obstacles left and my new target and me left the venue to go to a club. She wanted to dance to some house and I knew just the spot, a small club just 20 minutes away. So we went there. We weren't 5 minutes in the venue and I kclosed her.
Even though it might need some calibration and practice on delivery, I think it might be a cool kiss routine. I basically asked what she thinks about social boundaries and two people, who just met, kissing each other. She replied back that it was a lame pickup line. I said to her it wasn't a pickup line (and it wasn't, I was just saying what came to my mind :D). And I think that's when I fried her circuits. She kissed me. I'd say she realized that I wouldn't let her have it so easily so she probably advanced before I could. So we started making out in front of all people. I knew it wasn't going to get any further than this (buyer's remorse) so I enjoyed it for the rest of the night. Further into the night we danced more and kept making out. At one point we were both tired and she even said to me that she's had enough of the make outs. I didn't expect that I would be able to run the game this long so I couldn't care less. I enjoyed the evening.
It was my first proper pickup of an actual stranger, done by myself and only myself. Now I knew I had what it takes. Since nobody was really around to blow my mind with what is possible, I had to do it myself. :D

The next few weeks were weird for me. I had an unnatural calm aura around me. I felt like nothing could faze me. I had been working now months and years on my inner game and I just got the confirmation (not validation, mind you) that I was finally able to naturally attract a woman by being my finally awesome self. (I'm not bragging, this is just my mindset. :D)

A few months passed and then it happened. My calm aura started fading. I was still cool and stuff, but that sexual was slowly disappearing. If you don't take of it, it will go away.
I had licked blood and I wanted more. But I knew just text wasn't going to do it this time. I had read most routines, I knew how most of them went on. I wasn't a walking encyclopedia of pickup or something, but I generally knew what was going on. So I started getting some other stuff: videos. It was mostly David DeAngelo. I loved David D. I didn't even watch the stuff about inner game, but I was still able to derive a lot of inner game wisdom from his stuff. I was able to identify with lots of stuff. I was also able to recognize mistakes that I was still making. Lucky for me, those were small mistakes (nothing deep-rooted in my persona) and easily corrected. Basically just hearing him talk about them was enough for me to become aware and eradicate them. I simply incorporated it all into my being. And unlike earlier it didn't feel like I had to be arrogant with girls in order to attract them. I now knew what confidence felt like. I felt like a positive force. So I decided to start proper outer game in clubs. I went through more of David's stuff to get my mind accustomed properly to the mindset. Since I already had the attitude and the vibe, it was easy to start off. Still, I decided to start as low as possible. I saw myself as a complete AFC (regardless of everything) in order to avoid overestimating my abilities and having a hard time if it turns out to be tough.

The very first night I was out with a friend messing around with girls as if we were from Germany (I speak perfect German) and then we usually immediately transitioned to English since most people here know English way better than German. This evening felt good, because I realized that I can do this. You could say it was some sort of newbie mission. But because I had no intention in actually getting anywhere, it was so much easier to do it and it was even fun telling all the bullshit that I made up. I actually didn't use any canned material, I was just talking, talking, talking. xD I remember, one of the girls was totally into me. I was telling her how I am a background dancer and that I met Britney Spear and Christina Aguilera in Germany at work. And I was telling her how I didn't like Britney because she was a bit bitchy and how Christina was actually nice and how she had a dog. It was hilarious for me. If I had been watching myself, I would have laughed my ass off. It's about attitude after all. With the right attitude you can deliver anything, even bullshit that you're a background dancer (though, I actually backed that up by dancing beforehand because I have developed a unique and energetic dancing style during my party years).

A few weeks later I started doing it all systematically. Now I had to internalize outer game properly. So I started going out every Saturday, attempting approaches. I accidentally crashed into some guys' birthday party and made friend with 80% of the people there (mostly guys). I did another approach with some guys when I left the venue (they supposedly knew me from the party back there) and I took one of them with me. During that venue-change I made him approach a 4-set with me and I was able to attract 2 of 3 girls in a 4-set. One girl gave me the puppy-eyes after I was holding her hand and the other got scared from the attraction towards me that she panicked and started talking about her great BF who calls her every evening to say good night. I forgot to mention that I also developed incredible body-language reading skills during the last few years which we very useful here. :D But this wasn't the point of the first night in my sequence. In the second venue I started doing cold approaches. The first I did was a dancing 9 and I got shot down cold (she was like “Get off me. Are you crazy? You'll get into trouble!”). It was the best thing that could have happened to me. My mind was so blown from awesomeness that I first had to go to the bathroom to put myself together. And then it was on. I was on fire. Yes, that rejection made me instantly stronger. :D I couldn't really remember any routines (since I didn't really memorize any of them very well) so I started opening like crazy. I think I opened 20 sets in 20 minutes or something like that with the who-lies-more opener (and a few high-fives), just for the sake of opening. It wasn't a newbie mission. My purpose was testing the opener after all. With some I even did the first part of my own paintball routine (don't steal the idea yet, lol) to stay longer in set. After rethinking of that night I saw the mistakes I made (mostly improper energy levels and having nothing to stack onto) and worked on fixing them.

Second night out was already a lot different. This time I was out with friends. I opened fewer sets, but I was able to stay in some of them significantly longer running the first part of my paintball routine, messing more around, running my 3-girls-dancing-with-me-where-the-dj-was-at-this-awesome-party (don't steal that yet either, lol) before ejecting.

Third night I was alone again and it was a disaster. Without knowing I had pumped up my anxiety levels to insanely high levels. I was able to open 2 sets and had to eject quickly as warm-up (one was a moving set, I ran out of material and the other was a crazy 3-set where I wasn't properly able to maintain the high energy). But in the third set (the last before I arrived at the venue) one of the girls started yelling at me and stuff. Even while I was walking away, she was yelling shit at me like she's going to get her pepper spray and stuff like that. It wouldn't have been a big deal otherwise, but the emotion cocktail in me messed it up. I kept sitting at the first venue for 40 minutes straight. It was weird. I was anxious and calm at the same time. My emotions were messing with me and there was nothing I could do except sit there and wait for it to pass. It was hard, though. My mind was crazy. My belief in my abilities dropped by 30%. At one point my emotions even made me think of giving up. But I knew once it all passes, I will be back up. Every rejection makes me stronger. When I walked to the second venue, I felt like I was drunk. I experienced firsthand what David D. meant when he said “emotions are powerful drugs”. They truly are. That's when I also realized how important it is to get yourself properly into state. Later, when I analyzed what had gone wrong, I realized that too much went wrong. My high anxiety was picked up, I didn't execute the opener properly, my attention focus was wrong, I didn't open the adjacent guy set first, etc. All those realizations were pure gold.

So the fourth night I was out with an AFC buddy. We were dancing around and were having fun. I was in state because me and my buddy generated that state. A 4-set (UG, drunk HB7, HB7, HB9) came over to us dancing and one of them (drunk HB7) was grinding a lot on me intermittently. I realized that she was quite drunk so I knew if I showed the slightest sign of interest, it would be over. The best thing I could do was pawning. And so I did. I constantly rewarded her for doing short grinds and made clear with my body language that she was qualifying to me (stuff like “Yeah, that's nice. Keep it going.”, nodding, smiling and clapping hands). I originally wasn't going to do any approaches that night since my buddy was with me. So over the course of the night I eventually gave the girl one or two IOIs, but it obviously backfired. One of the IOIs was an attempt at a kclose with silence. I knew it probably wouldn't work because of ASD since it was right in front of her friends, but I actually didn't care. I was just doing it for the lulz to see if she complies and if I can push it that far. So later she was into my buddy and kept gaming him. The good thing was that I let her grind me intermittently for probably a whole hour (with additional interrupts where I left the dance floor for a few minutes). The social proof and DHV through non-neediness that I conveyed heavily were in my favor when I properly opened the HB9. I made her do a spin move and she was totally happy that I finally started noticing her. I wish I would have done it earlier. I didn't think I had that much social proof with her. xD So, anyway, at one point she's dancing totally energetic (for the first time in the evening, I must have totally made her night :D). Then she was almost approached by some guy. So I decided that a pre-emptive AMOG-ing would save me trouble. I went up to her and asked her if she liked that guy. Before she could reply properly, I did the perfect-couple neg on her to disarm him and told her that I will introduce to her. (I noticed her being like no-no-no from my periphery view when I went on to the AMOG.) I introduced myself to the AMOG and he told me his name. I asked him if he wanted to meet that girl. Before he could reply, I told him that I will introduce him. I completely disregarded his comment that he doesn't need my help (which I noticed from his body language that it was genuine!). I told her his name (notice, I didn't know her name yet) and introduced them. Then I turned away, moved a few feet away with me back to her and continued dancing. :D 5-10 minutes later I turn around and the guy is gone. :D Now, I wanted to isolate, but I didn't know properly how. I didn't have a proper game-plan for the dance floor yet. I was going to try the “let me show you something cool”, but it would have been weird with her high energy level at that moment (and I was a bit reluctant to leave my buddy alone). I also noticed that it doesn't work well when I tried it earlier on the drunk HB7. So I didn't do anything because I was stuck. And it's fine. Next time I'll do better, next time I know what to do. :D And that is to caveman grab her hand and isolate or do a dance spin and isolate in caveman manner by simply pulling her out of the crowd. A1 and A2 were covered, isolation was the next logical step. The night ended later where the girl supposedly left and were supposed to come back quickly. My buddy said that he got a kiss when he was told that. I realized that he was just being revalidated and they weren't coming back so I left the venue (and my buddy obviously followed). I even hinted at him what happened (again, he's an AFC) without actually going into any PU.
The only thing that is important here to me is that I don't want to drag my friends into PU, at least not before I get fairly good at it myself.

Tonight is night #5. Wish me luck. :)


Hah, what a post. Feels good to rehash it all one more time and put it on digital paper. Helps me see things a bit clearer.

So, anyway… I might not be good at this yet (as you can clearly see), but I will get better. Whenever I get stuck at one point in one night, I recognize it and don't repeat it the next night. I will continue to make rapid progress. :) I have the mentality and I'm enjoying myself so much. But that isn't even the thing that is driving me. I mess around, I don't need a particular girl, I'm indifferent to the outcome, etc. I am not a quitter, I am getting this area of my life handled. :D
You should get your inner game straight as well. It's so much easier and so much more fun that way. :) My goal isn't even to become a PUA. I want to be a natural with the logistics of a PUA. :)

Anyway, my point being: Zagreb PUAs, PM me. We've got a lot of fun ahead of us. :D


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