Hi guys..this is a great forum.

I wanted to impart my 'wisdom' on the whole of this PUA science thing. My background is that I am very intelligent, above average looking and in a great job which involves workng with a lot of women ...some of whom are hot and many of whom are randy. Anyways, I dont claim to be a rock star with women and I am actually apalling in highly charged locations such as night clubs. When I meet people in a one on one situation, I am confident, very articulate and charming but again my success with women is so so.

I did the PUA bootcamp, read a bunch of books etc etc. to improve my success... and this is my take on it:

Many of these PUA coaches are attempting to sell a product that does not exist:) I have had the pleasure of attending coaching with the likes of Gambler, adam lyons etc etc and truthfully these guys are not the sex gods that they claim to be...they are exceptionally astute businessmen who understand and play on peoples insecurities. If i went to a 'bald single twentysomething' men's convention and brought along a shiny product claiming that it would cure baldness then you can be sure i will make a killing:) Everytime I have been out with some of these guys, I have understood a few things....1) It is a numbers game... the more you lines you put out the more like it is that you will bait a fish. 2) Perseverence can pay off but can also make you look like a pest 3) These techniques and pickup methods are probably only for the very superficially minded guys -- if you dont mind picking up a woman at the risk of coming across as a a bit of a pest (which many of the PUA coaches actually (unknowingly) demonstrate in their pickup routines)then it says something about you as a person:). I wanted to be something different. I dont want to sleep with every woman i meet but i do want women I meet to feel good when they meet me and go away thinking ...hmmm sexy guy.

Ultimately what we all want is to be naturally more attractive. Sure ,openers and kino and all that are important but require the man to do some work. We all know of guys who can walk in to a bar, do very little and still draw glances from women...such guys may be oblivious to the effect that they are having on the women in the room but lets be honest, dont we all want to be guy i.e get attention without having to try?

In my opinion, there is one quality above any other that makes a man attractive (on first appearance) ....and that is strength. People who are strong or give an outwardly appearance of strength will always be more attractive than people who don't. A person who looks physically appears strong will draw a second glance from women. If he appears to be physically strong but is shy. women will still make allowances for his shyness. A person who looks weak but is confident usually has to work a little harder (i.e has to engage the woman, try and be cocky and funny and still has a realistic chance of being blown out). Strength may be physical or even social. Guys who take up a lot of personal space, those who appear not to be afraid to interact with other people and those who are quite happy just to do their thing without seeking approval from anyone demonstrate social strength and appear naturally confident. This is why i think bouncers get attention at clubs. Similarly this is why certain professions are considered attractive ...eg firemen, surgeons etc. Guys who are well built meat heads with a bunch of tatoos and earrings always seem to have a cute woman with them ...we all wonder why a woman would want to be with these 'jerks'... truth is that they demonstrate strength.
I also think that people who are funny but not strong end up becoming the 'jester' or 'clown' that all the girls coo over but none would touch with a barge pole. However, men who on the other hand are funny but also demonstrate strength are considered sexy.
If men work on becoming stronger by investing in themselves...they will probably have a lot more success that if they simply invested in a bunch of bootcamps teaching them a bunch of techniques. Moreover I think this is the path to true inner fulfillment.

I wonder what you guys think of my theory. I would be very interested in feedback. ANyways a lot of the stuff on this forum is really good and I appreciate all the time people put in to help othey guys:)

I'm too new to this to give a well rounded opinion, but i think you have an interesting point. Ideally we'd all like to just be ourselves and get attention, but i think thats what a lot of these techniques are about. Getting the 'real you' out there to be seen.

Confidence is a bit attraction to women for sure and you're right, some guys become the sexless Jester, but i think there's a happy middle ground for men who want to display their assets more eaily, confidently and quicker to women in regular social situations like bars and thats where these techniques come in handy.

I don't know about going to seminars, I think a lot of these guys are just posers and trying to capitalize on you, like you said.

I agree that strength is important in seduction and that if you are a strong person you will certainly have success but, like mystery said, pickup is about more than attraction, if you can't use that attraction you get from your strength to build a relationship with the girl then its all for naught.

Strength is raw power, if you don't channel it correctly it won't get you what you want.

I would never pay for a seminar but your theory is complete bull. If that was the case (appearance of strength is a determining factor) bodybuilders would be scoring 9s all night long and we would not see skinny/cracked out/ugly men with high value women. There are so many counterexamples to your theory it's not even funny.

There are some truths in pickup theories that any afc would do well to learn. I think the real problem is that it is very hard to learn from a book, for one, and for two, people like you may come off with unrealistic expectations that mastering pickup will allow you to get just about any woman you desire. Even the Gurus fail for as the saying goes.. 'attraction is not a choice'.