I want to be respectful but I have a problem with some of this. I have a friend who is not good with women at all. He is 47 and fell in love with a 20 year old he never had a chance.She broke his heart and he got all booty hurt and decided he would never let something like this happen again. He decides to take a pick-up artist class and pays $2000 for the 2 day class and some cd's. Now he thinks he is the hot stinky poo. He tells me how he can have any women in the room and could take my gf if he felt like it. The fact is he is a nice guy and he needed a little confidence but these $2000 classes made him creepy. He goes for women way out of his league which he tells me there is no such thing. He is 47 and feels like he should be with a 20 something supermodel. The fact is the guy is not attractive at all, has no money and is kinda of a creep now. So before when he was nicer he could of maybe gotten a 40ish divorce' now he will never meet anyone because of what these classes taught him. I have gone out with him since then and it is embarrassing to watch; it never works and you can see how uncomfortable the girl is when he does what the pickup-artist taught him aka touching them when it is very obvious they definitely don't want to be touched by this creepy guy. I am younger and a good looking guy so this has never been a problem for me but know I don't like going out with him even tough we are friends I know going out with him means not meeting any girls and God forbid I see women I know and they start talking to me and he totally alienates them with his pick-up techniques. And to boot he really didn't have the money to pay for all the classes so he borrowed money from his friends NOT ME to pay for this. I want to know how to get him to stop and go for a women his own age and in his league or is this just a lost cause and he is ruined and out $2000 with absolutely nothing to show for it...

well i didnt pay for any courses i brought the books and this is something thats hard to turn your back on so what id suggest is maybe read some of the books and watch "the pick up artist" and see where hes going wrong and help him out, because i know first hand it works maybe hes just not doing it right?

Unfortunately this is what happens when social retards get involved in PU, they alienate people around them.

Sorry to hear this but try telling him that these PU techniques are only techniques - they're not magic. PU is a tool to meet and attract women, but if you are not an attractive person at heart then you won't be able to keep them.

Tell him to take a look at himself. List what is attractive about him, and what isn't, and ask him does he ever notice when a girl just isn't into him? Does he lead an attractive lifestyle etc, does he have something to offer girls in his life or his personality, not just money or a flash car etc.

Im new to this but i wonder why a 47 year old man needs a 20year old girl?

Sounds like he has somekind of age- crisis. But if you really are a good friend tell him what you think. And ask him how he really is doing. Maybe he is not feeling so well. Agecrisis can make some people do desparate things. Even a broken heart.

But if he wants something solid i´d go for an older woman.

There´s lot´s of beutiful women from 30-50. Id be glad too meet someone at that age. And im 27. Thats one of my problems i never cope with young girls, some of them are mentally undeveloped. Like a beutiful adult with a snobby, spoiled childs mental state.

Thanx for the advice I will try to see were he is coming from.He originally did this because of a broken heart he was married and got a divorce from a women he wasn't attracted to and went for a 20 something year old women he never had a chance with because of age and his looks. He thinks it was because he was a nice guy and now that he has these techniques he's in control and no women can hurt him or say no to him. Unfortunately that is not the case...The sad fact is that she will be moving back to the area and he feels that they will be together when in fact they were never together to begin with he is very delusional about the whole thing...I told him if he attempts to contact her and "get her back-he never had her not even close" I will not be there for him because we both know it will end badly....
Even sadder is the fact that a 50 year old women who is actually very attractive is in to him and would be perfect for him, he doesn't like her because of her age..He only uses her for a friend w/ benefits.. I feel bad for the guy and want to help him because he's a good friend and a nice guy when it comes down to it but I find myself not wanting to hang out with him because I can't take his bullshit about women...I know one day I am going to say enough is enough and be like just stop this is all bullshit just stop and I don't want to be that harsh....
So any advice you guys have to help me so it doesn't get to that point would be appreciated

You can´t control anyone with techniques or yourself for that matter. The only ones that do it are psychopaths and even they don´t do it good even when it is their nature to manipulate people and act like they are somebody else. You can work on yourself to become someone, this thru experience. The shift is mental and emotional. Not an act.

Its hard to tell but it sounds like your friend is becoming a jerk. I dont know how it works when you guys go out but being a jerk doesn´t have anything to do with PU, there is a difference with being sassy or funny but thats it. If it´s someone´s personality then ok, but don´t act like it if it´s not.

Yor friend probably got some real shitty advice from someone .

Second he clearly has issues. What Pu business is all about is training on your social skills. It has nothing to do with controlling or groping 20year olds. It´s about mastering and developing so you can be your best self. Become better and not having difficulties presenting or delivering who you are.

Now for your friend, have som empathy for him, he has a broken heart and probably some ageissues. BE A FRIEND, don´t condensend him.

Second if he´s gonna run after a particular girl and think that he can save himself thru her or get her, well then he is flying that plane to the ground with a crash.

A single course doesn´t make you a pilot, life experience, knowledge and effort does.

Best for him is to get his issues sorted out, understand the game and not the imaginery one. Maybe some counceling and get neutral before he goes out with anyone. I hope it works out for him and that he get´s the real message of getting a woman, (note woman!).

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