I would like to know what an ugly girl has to do to get some love and attention. I would like to know why we're discriminated against or called ugly in the first place, and if we have just as much of a right to be bitter and disdainful as you are of the girls who've rejected you your whole lives.

Sincerely the girl who is tired of being a pawn and getting her feelings hurt.

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Welcome, and best of luck --

I would expect that much of PU strategy can be applied by women. First, you have to work on making the best of your image - so why are you ugly? Would you post a picture, or perhaps describe your body type and bad points? Things to mention would include, but not be limited to:

-Description of hair
-Description of face
-Body type (athletic? big?)


My first recommendation is to figure out make up. Maybe find a friend, some tutorials online or some books, or look at the many girls on YouTube who give lessons.
Second, get in shape! A good body can do wonders, and it's not just for attracting guys - it's for your health.
Third, if you've got anything on your chest at all, find a good bra that makes them look bigger (push up, I guess?). Now, I'm just trying to give you every advantage possible - this one in particular is sleazier than the rest, right? But physically, it's important to a lot of guys - and your first impression counts for a lot.

If you're in good shape, wear form-fitting clothes that are stylish and cute. You don't have to wear a dress necessarily, but you shouldn't look like you're lounging on a Saturday morning. Dress to attract attention, but of course you don't have to dress sleazy. Wear a black elbow glove on one arm, or a fishnet shirt (with a vest or something of course). Red stalkings with a cool design on them under form-fitting shorts or something. Girls always get to wear the really experimental cool-looking shit...

But yeah, definitely get in good shape. It should take you about 6 months.

Exercise routine:
-- Sprints --
>Sprint for 10 secs, jog for 30.
>Repeat and every two or three days, increase the number of sprints you do by one until you're sprinting for 10 minutes.
>Once you reach 10 minutes, decrease the jogging period by 1 sec each day.
>>>That's just 10 minutes of exercise daily - you have the time.
>>>This is an efficient, quick way to burn huge calories, and your legs will look absolutely incredible - curves and everything.
>>>Don't worry about your legs getting too muscular. A few months of sprinting to lose weight won't get you to the point where some guys get grossed out.

-- Push Ups --
>If you cannot do one, start with your knees on the ground instead of your toes. >Do however many you can do, rest for two minutes, then do the same amount again.
>Increase number of push ups per set by one push up per day. Your goal should be 20 or 30 push ups per set.
>>>This will give your shoulders and arms some definition and curve instead of bony angles or flab.

-- Stomach --
>>>You cannot target a specific part of the body to lose weight, and ab exercises do not burn many calories. As you get in good shape, all the fat will go away, and between the sprints and the push ups, your stomach will develop.


Okay, so that's your makeover. Now, for the education. Read "The Game" and "The Mystery Method" to begin with and see what you can make out of it.

Here are the Fast Seduction Archives. In here are all the posts of the masters - Style, Mystery, Juggler, Tyler Durden, etc.: http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

Here's another seduction manual I started looking at: http://www.puatraining.com/files/3d45kd ... ame_v3.pdf


And that's a good start. The other thing is that once you've read "The Game" and MM, go out and start sarging (picking up people). Don't wait too long - just go out and do it. Starting out, aim to "Crash Close." here-vp281098.html#281098

Your intro did not tell us much about your situation - body-type, personality-type - so that's why I'm going all out. If you're the shy type, sarging (especially Crash Closing) will help you out. Believe in yourself and believe that with enough time and effort, you can accomplish anything. Persist.



Good luck,
Sorce

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Im also new, maybe we can build some routines.....

Anyways, inner game is THE MOST important aspect of PUA. Confidence is gold and once you have it, many doors will open. Get out of the mindset that you have to seek anyones approval. KNOW YOU CONTROL THE FATE OF YOUR OWN DESTINY!!!!

Heres a little secret: Men put up fronts. We all act like the girl has to be smoking hot, but it is just a front. What matters most to men is that the woman he chooses will satisfy him Physically, Mentally, and Sexually. If you are always out to please your man, he will probably find you attractive. Looks DO matter, but some good fashion sense will cure that.

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KCB is on the ball. I would add that you should aim for a relationship, though, where it's not you just pleasing the guy, but that he pleases you just as much. The key to having a good relationship is that each partner is equal and equally respected. If you go in trying to please too much, well, you're just going to be the guy's bitch. It needs to be an exchange.



Sorce

Wow. That was really helpful advice! Thanks guys. And the weight loss routine sounds like a good one too.

I've never really measured myself, but I'm about 5 feet tall and 111 pounds. I have really big hips and thighs though, and on a short person, that can make them look even heavier than they really are because they don't have th extra long legs to even the shape out. So instead of an hourglass, you get a lopsided, clownish looking pear.

Thanks again for the tips.

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Wow. That was really helpful advice! Thanks guys.

I've never really measured myself before but I'm 5 ft tall and about 111 pounds. I'm really short with big hips and thighs though, so it makes me look even heavier than I already am, since I don't have the long legs to even it out.

Thanks again for the tips.

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Oh gosh. Sorry for the double post. It gave me an error message the first time.

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I'm not gonna sugar coat anything here: Looks are important. That might have hurt to read, depending on how ugly you actually are, but like one of the famous pick up routines goes;

"Beauty is common. Most people in this room are beautiful. What is rare, though, is a great personality and a great outlook on life."

Attraction is not a choice, as David DeAngelo says. And it really isn't. We aren't attracted to what we see, we are attracted to what we feel. This is why PUA's have the upper hand over most other guys, because we know this and we feed off of this in a sense. We communicate with the opposite sex on a deeper level, becoming a part of those feelings, and resulting in a sort of natural attraction.

Lots of successful PUA's aren't exactly eye candy; look at David X, for example. A PUA that oddly resembles an overweight toad. Mystery himself isn't that attractive either, the list goes on. While looks do matter, and you should take care of your physical appearance (ie. get a tan, go to the gym, get a haircut, take care of your teeth, eat healthy), the ability to connect is what is more important. And besides, looks can always be altered to an extent.

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I think Mystery is hawt.

Style is not attractive in my book though, and he is considered one of the best (some rate him eve better than Mystery - though most people who participate in those polls probably don't know either personality well enough to make a truly informed decision).


-Serious face-

Er, I'll PM you.



Sorce

Hey, its good to see another girl here Welcome!
I see you've got a couple of really reasonable advice already...
You need to work on your inner game and you gotta understand that there are no ugly people, there are people with no self confidence ... work on that.
Feel free to join us in the chat, we are always happy to help

Cheers
Jez
P.s if you need a female opinion on smth , pm me

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