Hi guys

I'm here out of desperation in a last attempt to try and fulfill my main and possibly only real purpose as a man on this planet by finding an appropriate mate. I am close to twenty seven years old now and have yet to succeed in seducing a girl or now woman. I have absolutely zero sexual experience with women including even a kiss or hug etc. I find any attractive women more frightning and anxiety provoking than Rambo on crack wielding a machete with my name on it. Ok, sligh over exaggeration there but you get my point. I read "The Game" by Neil Strauss AKA Style a couple of years ago but I never thought it could work for me. I still don't... but before I am soon to reach my thirties as a pathetic virgin and probable suicide if I do without losing it then what have I got to lose? Only my inhibition I hope. I don't have any close friends that I could use as a wingman. I don't see much opportunity to even find someone. I don't have the money to spend a small fortune on a "in the field" weekend. I haven't tried my luck with any women for a few years now as after numerous rejections I became so depressed I simply gave up. So many women seem incredibly superficial and shallow. So bitchy and judgemental. Yet I hope that this can't be true of all. I don't want to be alone any longer. My will to put up with this torment of unvoluntary solitude (a poison to my soul) is fading. I need help to realize my potential. I need help to be a man.

I'm sorry to hear that man.

And I think your best bet is to get advice from the vets on the forum. But I must ask some few questions of you:

Did you have a father or male role model while growing up?
Did you ever have a girl friend and if so who initiated courtship?
Finally, did you have any episodes in your life with women or public humiliation that may have pushed you into your current mental and sexual Dilemma?

D

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I agree you may want to talk to some vets on this forum.

This that I can comment on. First of all you don't have to go out to clubs or bars to get in field training. Great places are malls, library's, book store's and place's that the general public comes to. You are also far from hopeless or pathetic. Think of it like this.. when you first learned to ride a bike you sucked at it and im sure at times you fell and wanted to give up. However you got up and tried again. Before you know it you were riding. That's the same idea as seduction. You most likely wont be great at it from the getgo its something you have to work at. However if you keep at it and get back up after you fall, learn from it and keep trying you WILL succeed.

Things I can suggest to help are below. However you have to be willing and able to fallow through with these.

Newbie Challenge - This is far from a challenge and will get you more adapted to talking to female's and people in general. the-newbie-mission-vt41556.html

Also when you go buy something at a store look for a female cashier and go to her. Start and hold a fun playful conversation with her. Cashiers, bartenders, waitresses and things of that sort are payed to be nice to you. So they are not going to blow you off or be a bitch. However the idea here is to create a fun connection with her. You will be able to tell if she is just being nice because its her job or if she is genuinely interested in what you have to say with out the fear of rejection.

However there will be rejection in the future it seems as though you feel very low about yourself because you arnt out there giving it a shot. I think if you do these few things they will be great stepping stones to your successes. However be aware that its not going to come fast or easy.. so if this is something you truely want work for it. Nothing in life thats worth having is going to be given to you.

I hope this helps and if you have ANY questions please feel free to email me at ryanallen4tw@yahoo.com also you can reach me on myspace at www.myspace.com/brokenhero1985

_Alias_

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Thanks, Alias.

hey,
I'm trying to start out early. I'm only 17 so I cant go to clubs or bars yet, but i'm trying to improve my social skills with ladies. Ive been reading the book "The Game" and its completely changed the way I see women. I've been introduced to the art of seduction by one of my fellow co-workers so he's helping me out a great deal. But i'm still trying to find good places to test out my game got any suggestions?

Both RubberDuck and Spike:

Seriously,

I lived with my sister, her friend, and her little sister. This was an experience that I took for granted for many years. They are just people like you and me. The difference lies in the level of emotion that they elicit based on many things that you and I find difficult to comprehend.

For you RubberDuck,

Find some girl that strikes you as conservative in her moral values, but still down to go out on a date! You'd be surprised by how many women stare at you in an affectionate/longing way while they make your sandwich for you at quiznos! Ask for numbers! (Although she might look conservative, she may not be! Younger women may be preferable. And by young, I mean, above the legal age of your country/state, but out of highschool!) All hope is not lost. Be honest with yourself about your abilities and your experience and be willing to work for it. You'd be surprised at how many dudes are willing to help you find a lady too! (Watch out for herpes in your adventures. You don't want that!)

Spike,

For a gent your age, I would try Starbucks, eateries and diners, the mall, and school. School is an interesting one because people have a preconceived notion of you that many may share. Group perception is hard to escape because so many believe what is said about you, that even you have a hard time disproving their B/S. Your job now is to disprove them. Not by stupid tricks or by drinking more than the AMOG, but by showing her (a girl that you may know or meet through a friend) that you find her attractive, and that your willing to sacrifice time and effort to show her a good sexy time! (Waiting too long = failure. Be aware and smart about this.) Barnes and Noble is a good place to meet women too! Never underestimate the power of reading a book in the comfy chairs at any coffee shop. Girls will come because of the un-claimed comfy chairs and your "un-intentional" eaves-dropping can lead you to brilliant conversation!

Both of you! Women are just people! And, even if you don't wind up sleeping with them, they may have some friends they can hook you up with.

P.S.
Sometimes people's standards are too high, which keeps them from ever having a meaningful relationship with a women. And on a degrading note, my theory is, I lower my standards every time I wake up!

Good Luck Gentlemen!

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My grandfather was a good role model to me but he died when I was 12. My father was very critical of me and expressed how he saw me as a disapointment compared to my two younger sisters. I had no brothers.

I have tried to pick up women in my late teens up to being about 22 when I had more confidence then helped with some dutch courage but after many knockbacks my self-esteem and confidence hit rock bottom and sort of withdrawed my life all together for a couple of years. I can't imagine how any woman would be interested in me. I get the impression from them that I'm an annoying inconvenience. It is also a great problem that I have not had any sexual experience before because at nearly 27 years old it would be expected that I am not a virgin. I feel so self-conscious speaking to girls. I feel very inferior.

I want to try the newbie challenge. I was thinking of going to the Trafford Centre which is a big shopping complex in the city of Manchester. Similar to a North American mall. I don't really want to spend any money there though as there is nothing I particularly need. Maybe I just browse some clothes and try and say hello to some woman nearby. What sort of reaction should I expect? Will they ignore me or maybe say hi back?

Well it seems from your post above the one I quoted that you feel very bad for yourself and you have to understand that, that isnt going to help you. So your first step is to believe that you can do well and have the willingness to try.


I HIGHLY suggest the newbie challenge for you. The idea is to not over think this. All your doing is saying hello to people in general. Though your really aiming your hello's to women. I think going to your Trafford Centre would be a great place to do this. You dont need to bring a dime with you as the object isnt to spend any money but to simply say hello to women. You can say hello to female's walking past you in the mall. In store's that you want to "look at stuff" Say hello to all of them. If you havent seen them before say hi. Having a smile on your face is a good idea as well.

The reaction you can expect is them to say hello back. Some may not but alot of them most likely will. Just make it a friendly hello. Some of them may even strike up a conversation with you which would be great. Just dont over think this... All your doing is saying hello. Dress decent.. Not trashy but not dressed up.. Smell decent and you will have no problem with this challenge.

Good luck with this Rubberduck and I look forward to hearing about how this went.

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Thanks, Alias.

Rubber Duckie,

You have to realize something first. It seems to me that you have had a life time of having your self worth tested and crippled.

I have not done the "Newbie Challenge", but if the challenge seems to continue to come up, then perhaps you should do it.

Besides that, I would also read up on dating guides and male dynamics guides that help men understand better that picking up women normally have to do with developing themselves rather than the tactics or techniques they use.

(I say you use this because this is what I did).

You need to completely break away from the old way of viewing yourself. You are going to have to get our of your comfort zone and take the rejections and the failures so that you can get to the successes.

You need to change yourself esteem and to do that you need to begin to change your habits.

Are you a member of a gym? If not you should become one and start working out. (major confidence booster).

Also, you need to go out and visualize the man you want to be.
DO you have any role models or men that you feel you would like to be compared to? (It was a good way for me to first get out of my shell)

The key to understand is this, you are not doing a standardized test where you study really hard and then come test time you sit down to the multiple choice questions. Rather, you are changing certain aspects of your self visualization. From the moment you wake up to the moment you fall asleep.

Do the newbie challenge and get yourself going.

Keep us updated.

D

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Hey man,

I live in Manchester where we have a pretty healthy community of guys at all levels including one or two who are still virgins. It's no big thing. We are all pretty friendly and helpfull. Come join us.

Check the link in my sig.


Peace,

kowalski

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I have just moved to the area, and was wondering two things, firstly what the scene was like out here and secondly if anyone would like a wingman.

Just PM me etc

Validity

Hey there friend!

I can see you're already being helped.

Thanks guys.

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You're getting your priorities mixed up. From what i read, you will not be able to do what you want to do without spending a couple of $20s. Take the initiative by fixing your financial status. As obvious as it sounds this could be a wake up call for some but, earning money is a part of life and its there to assure a good standard of living. This will be one less major thing you will never have to think about. In the mean time you can start thinking of trying out things you have always wanted to do. This will give you a sense of accomplishment and thus be able to build up your self esteem and qualities as a man. Once you start going out and interacting with more people you will start understanding the psychology of this game. Become knowledgeable with the inner game and don't be afraid to ask about anything in this forum. Everyone has issues and everyone helps each other overcome those hiccups.

hope this helps.

Yeah!

Do it harder!

Work it!

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