Hello everyone

I've been studying various PUA methods for about 2 months now. Would like to hear from other Black PUA's and get there stories. Seems that the environment and techniques might be adjusted a bit. Just my AFC thoughts.

Coach

hey Coach,

I'm black too, and just getting started with some of the PUA material. I'm curious about how you think things should be adjusted.

-vibe

I'm half african american and australian, so i do pretty well here in Aus girls love the "blak factor". But I think for blak guys it is a bit different most girls either love black guys or don't. I think the way a black guy dresses has a big affect on a girls opinion on you. I tend to stick to designer clothes rather than hip hop sorta clothing.

This is from my experiences in Australia, the US girls might be different however.

King

The biggest thing about being a black man and picking up is, if you play the sterotype, u"ll win. What I mean by sterotype is 90% of all women we deal with (white, black, latina, asian, etc...) think we automatically have a "cool factor" born within. This is due to the international popularity of basketball in the nineties, movies in the seventies, and hip-hop for the past twenty years. I was in Japan not too long ago, and the ladies there treated me like a god. Basically don't act like an AFC, and your foot is half-way through the door.

I also wear designer gear and stay away from the hip-hop bagginess. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just as a man, there's a certain age where your clothes have to start fitting.

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I was in Europe for 3 years and know that as a black man in any other country you're golden. I'm talking about how these techniques would apply to the Black women in club settings. There, almost everyone has there swagger and style. I have tested the routines of pickup with success on white women. Now trying to get into the black club scene is different.

Coach

Before I go off on what I think, it’s safe to say that any man has a shot as long as he takes it. Nothing to do with the colour of your skin but as we’re on the subject, I’ll say the reverse is true. I hope nobody thinks my thoughts racist but you don’t hear much about white guys thinking they have to alter their game. Makes you wonder how albinos get laid, isn’t it?

Playing the stereotype can work for you or against you. Once you come off as what she imagines you to be, where’s the fun in that? Do you want to approach women in the exact way thy expect you to? Good luck getting some – even from black girls. So, if you’re going to play the stereotype I suggest the following:

1) Remain dominant
2) Don’t overcook the swagger but maintain it
3) Use it to DHV (if you’re the only black person there) about how everybody’s wondering why you find the HB hot
4) If she’s not into black guys, make fun of yourself and go, me neither and move on to the next target
5) Some of the posts show hip-hop clothing isn’t the look to go for. I suggest you look at somebody like Lenny Kravitz and the front man for the British group Bloc Party. Have your own look and stick to it.
6) Know some shit. People think black men don’t know much so talk about something you know very well and use it to DHV or whatever means it will take to get what you want

There’s a club here in Malaysia where you’ll find a great deal of African guys AMOGing the hell out of each other to score ANYTHING that moves. What does a black PUA do? Go in there and AMOG one of the local boys and make him my friend so I can DHV that I don’t need to be with the brothers to have fun. Therefore, pick-up for blacks changes slightly but only when you’re so conscious about it that HBs realize you’re only trying your luck and not genuinely interested in them.

I’ve posted a number of Lay Reports and some FRs on this forum and I’ll bet nobody knew I was black. So have fun with it if it’s the one thing that has you sticking out like the only manicured finger on a hand of sore thumbs.

I'm just getting started with this material, but I will say, on an intellectual level, that playing the "black" stereotype card on women just seems shallow, self-deprecating, and denigrating. I advocate being yourself and letting things unfold, regardless of the outcome. Shatter expectations. Be bigger than her mind believes you to be. Many a time, women have been taken aback by my african smarts, combined with good humor and a pretty unique personality. That's not to say they fancied a good fuck from me... but I've always been pretty disgusted with that class of women who can't seem to see passed me being a black guy and just being a person. So I've never felt hurt by rejection from those types of women. Even if it is a one-night stand, sex has to be on your terms, and self-value is more important than getting laid.

It's a deep rooted and complicated social issue, but I believe it's important to be yourself at the end of the day, whether you're hip-hop thuggish-ruggish or the clean-cut designer-wear type.

I've been personally finding it to be hard being black and not fitting the mold. HB8-10s are sharks these days. If you're not ripped or lookin and actin like Will Smith, it's pretty tough. But I welcome the challenge.

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Homie... you get what I mean.

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This stuff is golden on most women in many situations, but sistas in a club is another animal. That's why Im asking for FR from bro PUA in the club. Malaysia is not Atlanta....and as I said before...this is great on any women in other events or locations(library, day game, etc) but BLACK WOMEN in a BLACK CLUB...tell me about those FR or stories. If you're not black and not going to majority black clubs, you really dont know what I'm talking about. you can say it shouldn't be different and not to do this and that....but its not the same. Even a white dude in a black club will get a different reaction than another black guy.......the sistas will love a confident white guy. I want to here from a black PUA that uses material in a Black Club...

I'm in GA....anyone in the ATL pm me and we can go sarging.

Holla at yo boy!!

Coach

I'm gonna be st8 up with you... my game focuses on alot of what I've learned from psychology books, the seduction community, and pimps I hung out with in Decatur & Buckhead.

Atlanta has a very high gay population, but also the number one locator of beaufitul black women in the United States (I know this because I went to Clark Atlanta for a year, and currently live in Los Angeles).

When dealing with black women in the club... you gotta come correct.

If I had to use any PUAs game that would work with black women in hip hop clubs, it would definitely be AFC Adam Lyons. He incompasses what game REALLY is (which is basically pre-selection, social proof, the abilty to sexually esculate, and BREAKING rapport). The biggest thing with women in clubs is you have to break rapport. Trying to build rapport with someone you don't know ("Sup shawty? Can I buy u a drank?") doesn't work. But breaking rapport ("Sweetheart, you keep bumping into me like that I'ma think you wanna buy me a drink." (Smiling As you Say this)) does work. Because you're not seeking validation. You are giving value. You don't need anything, you're already assuming she's into you, and its obvious that she'd be flirting with you (not the other way around).

You're just a regular dude who notices things.

Two things you have to do... 1) you need social proof. Atlanta is big for having rappers show up at clubs, so even the "Spelman" high society AKA Chick is going to want to step to him. Walk around the venue and dap up dudes like you know them. Ask a couple of ladies if they're having a good time. Hold your drink high and dance a bit. Keep moving and avoid sticking to the wall and watching other brothas dancing with sistas (I'VE SEEN THIS IN ATLANTA).

2) You have to be intelligent. Alot of brothas take this shit for granted. You don't have to be an idiot to be a thug. Don't speak out the side of your neck at all. Speak proper but have a certain swag to you. Keep mysterious and smile muthafucka! LOL.

Let your intentions be known and keep your game flowing.

"Hey luv... there's something about you that sticks out like a sore hicky, I'm not sure if I know yet. But you have a beautiful confidence about you... I'll rap to you later."

And keep it moving pimpin'. Give her a slight, yet sincere touch on her elbow and roll. Don't wait for a response. The more you approach the better... but be careful what sets you approach. I've seen guys stabbed approaching the wrong girls

A dude comes up to you asking why you talking to his girl (even when the girl says HE"S NOT HER DUDE), you say "Dawg... no disrespect, I didn't know." And keep it moving.

Also black women relate dancing with how good you are in the bedroom. Hense if you know how to whine right, she'll get the implication that you know what to do, and how to do it well (in pimping terms this is known as getting a girl "dick drunk").

anything esle?

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I appreciate your response man. I wish these guys would realize that though the methods are universal, some styles have to be adjusted for the prey. We need a blog for Club Sista PU. Most of these other fellas dont know what goes on in black clubs. Now they are great...I've seen them. But, I must be universal, which means that I must have skills in the black venues also. I want more of these.."Hey luv... there's something about you that sticks out like a sore hicky, I'm not sure if I know yet. But you have a beautiful confidence about you... I'll rap to you later."....This is what I'm talking about.......other Guru's follow the lead..

Coach

my bad, i see what you guys are saying. nice tips though.

Bros, I don’t dispute the fact that you have to skew your pick-up when it comes to sisters. I’d be lying if I gave you advice on how to do your shit in Atlanta coz I haven’t had the chance to visit (would love to sarge together if I’m the area). And it’s true that dominant women are commonplace in America and Africa – it’s the same. But if you think about it, if not for your dominance (as pointed out in my earlier post) you have to be one hell of a funny motherfucker to stand out with black women.

But then we approach ALL women with a certain slant. I recommend you read “The Player” by Zander Martin – two guys; a white AFC and a black PUA. It’s an interesting insight into black PUA and while it is a mix of facts and fiction, packs a lot of nuggets on black PUA.

Malaysia isn’t Atlanta but guess what, I had to go through the same bitch shield and attitude before I f-closed an ebony HB (Deep Throat – Ebony HB in lay reports) a few weeks ago, in which case I’d agree I had to be a bit over the top but used a “gay” opener.

Only thing I’d add to all the good points shared by you guys is that:

**Frame is probably one of the most important aspects to black pick-up. There’s lots of shit-tests in that community.