Hey guys just call me Fox. The luscious bit has a long story behind it and these days it's just a default name I tack on the front if "fox" is already taken.

Like alot of guys here I realise I have a problem. Mine is mainly with mid game as I make great first impressions with girls (I'm 19 so I call em girls because they act that way) but when it comes to the next step I lose momentum and eventually they lose interest. Coming on to this forum is the next step for me. It's my way of realising that if I want to fix this I will need help with it. So thanks for letting me on board guys I relly appreciate it!

First question ever! When I'm talking to girls normally, no flirting, seductive looks, etc. They mention the boyfriend. WHY? They ALWAYS have to mention the boyfriend out of the blue and completely out of context! I'm not trying to pick these women up so why do they do it? It doesn't affect my conversations but it's interesting nevertheless.

Since no one's really paying attention to this forum I'm going to use it to record some stuff I consider to be important.

A few days after joining I did the newbie mission. It was every bit as hard as everyone was saying it was.

A few days after that (yesterday) I was invited out to a club. I met some naturals, did some dancing, got some IOI's but didn't open any sets in the club. I went to Maccas for a shake and a 2set was checking me out. I opened them with hey is this seat taken?

The darker skinned one was very interested. She looked really excited to be talking to me and threw me some shit tests too! I passed them but my wing was failing horribly and they were messing with him, he didn't even realise it. I dragged him away from the convo and didn't get any numbers becuse I ran away. It's been a few days and I'm feeling less AA and more excitement just being on this forum.

sounds great! keep it up but get a better wing though

Thanks man, my role model is officially my new wing and is very enthusiastic about pushing me into sets!

So it's a few hours later (5am) and I went to the clubs. Had my tailor made slim fit button shirt with the sleeves rolled up, a small necklace, wrist bracelet thing, a scrolling watch and some boots. None of this had any effect on anyone at all.
I thought this was the case before, everyones simply too drunk at 12am onwards to really care what I'm wearing in terms of style. I was getting better responses last night by wearng a slightly tight white patterned shirt to show off my muscles.

As for dancing my friend pointed something interesting out, he said that when I dance I'm doing the basic 2 step patterns and hitting the beat cleanly and that's why I was getting weird looks. Apparently I was trying too hard and doing the air guitar with the other dude there was a better choice!
That's a wake up call!

I opened 5 sets tonight. 2 were solid opens with a sort of situational opinion opener, the rest were me forcing out something I didn't really want to do and running away before I hit the hook point. The stuff that worked was "Hey guys, I haven't been going to the clubs much and I'm looking for somehwere to dance" The context was that the club I usually go too is packed and.....point is it worked well with some funny stories, gesturing,etc.
The stuff that didnt work was "Hi, I'm out meeting people tonight" and "Hey, is this seat taken?"

So what I learned was that I need to keep my look simple and easy to understand and have an excuse to talk to the girls. It's not enough to just say hey, wassup. It needs to be an opinion opener.

10 down 90 to go.

EDIT: SUPER IMPORTANT. I have used some seriously AFC openers on the girls and expected to completely crash and burn. The worst that has happened to me was the chick gave me the your a weirdo look and then shot her friends a very obvious 'SAVE MEEEEE' look. That was the WORST. The others that didn;t hook were just weird looks!

That's a crazy thought about the 2-step man. I'm a pretty good dancer myself (been going to raves since I was 14 lol) and I've always wondered why people seem to leave me alone when I'm dancing. Maybe people see you dancing on beat and being serious about it and want to leave you to it? Ha, I should just learn some bboy breakdancing shit and watch the ladies flock.

I've been enjoying your posts man, good to read.

Thanks Smokey.
I got my first number tonight!!! To get it I chatted up a short blonde with a alternative fasion style. Had a few earings and short blonde hair but the most gorgeous smile and red cheeks. I used David d's email close and transitioned it into styles number close where he writes his number on a piece of paper then tears it and hands it to the girl. My excuse was ' I'm goingto forget your name so write down your number instead' because she wanted me to add her on facebook instead of giving me her email. she could have written her name down only but wrote her number too.
The conversation was mostly push pull, banter, a little Kino and lots of connecting on topics about herself.

To get to the next level like this I made a few mistakes with other women.
1 I used too much cockyness and not enough sexiness.
2 I used a little cocky and a lot more sexiness but wimped out on taking the initiative when the women reciprocated my sexual agressiveness. By the time I let her know I was into her she said she had a bf.
3 I talked to and demonstrated how much smarter I was to a girl but I didn't connect well.

I decided that doing random approaches would help but my game is so weak that it needed a its fundamentals worked on. So I went out and in a week made a few new friends. It was suprisingly easy to hold conversations because I keep telling myself ' don't focus on her, focus on yourself,' whenever I was running out if stuff to say.

I know this post is a bit like ' omg I did like 5 pushups when last week I could only do 4' but I want to record everything that is in my head before I forget it.

Things are really starting to look up.
I've been practicing the bare basics for a while now and I've taken care of a few things too.

1 I got my fashion sorted. I know this because I get people complimenting me all the time now on different things. Mainly my hair and coat but sometimes my shirt and boots too.

2 As far as approaches go most of the time women are opening ME. Weird right? I get them looking at me quite often so I've started practicing different ways of communicating my interest to them. A compliment seems to be working the best as they are already interested so I don't really have to go under the radar.

3 My confidence is getting pretty high. Part of it is attributed to my affirmations and part of it is my social circle. When someone compliments me now I'm not thinking 'was that sarcasm' instead I'm quite taken aback sometimes and I'm not sure how to respond.

My game needs serious work of course. I'm not going to sugarcoat the fact that even though i'm getting lots of attention and making friends my closes are less than stellar. I'm starting off strong with a LITTLE C+F and good conversational skills but my attraction and escalation skills need work.

One thing I'm confused about with these women is why they always want my attention. Is it because I connect with them well or are they secretly attracted to me and I just don't have the skills to take things to the next level? What I'm trying to say is how do I sort out the friends from the interested? I think the answer is I need to work on my attraction so It's abundantly clear. Kind of like you're learning to dance and you're not sure if the attention you're getting is 'that guy's good' or 'that guys just trying too hard'

Warm daytime opening - Effortless
Cold daytime opening - Situational but usually not too difficult
Night game opening - Impossible!!!!

Attraction - Needs work
Comfort- Okay
Qualification - Needs work
Closing - Needs work

I'm REALLY SUPER EXCITED now that I've had my first taste of success and this is another post just to document it. I plan on looking back at this in the future and thinking ' this was the beginning'

Women are bored with regular guys doing regular things. You're out there with a good vibe, some style and some self confidence. Women love that, their curious about you.

If they are engaging/flirting with you it's on. Honestly, when you're hot, it's always on. Face the music. You are becoming the type of guy that ALL women want to meet no matter what is going on around them. Congratulations!

Now turn up the sexuality in your eye contact and body language and start pulling more triggers. Learn some escalating phase closes (Gambler's stealth seduction is on sale right now for a ridiculously low price, I just bought it and have been watching it all day except when I am interrupted by work), remember to take two steps forward and one step back and you'll be rocking it!
Have fun, good luck.

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Be the man you want to be while living the life you want to live.
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I only have three rules
1. Make It Fun
2. Show Don't Tell
3. Be Genuine

Thanks a lot man. I will definitely take this on board and work on it.

EDIT 7th May 2012: This is a minor update so I'm not making a new post and bumping my journal thread.

I heard somewhere that once you write something down it becomes evidence. Good or bad you can no longer run away from your thoughts or play them down because the evidence is there.

Bad news:
I haven't been practicing my game on girls lately. Not face to face anyway. Why? I could say I've been busy with life problems but lets face it. I reached a 'critical moment' a point where you you have to make a decision of give up, continue doing the same thing (and get the same results) or step up to the challenge. I procrastinated. Not good, now I'm paying the price of letting everyone know.

New goals:
Start hanging out at a place where lots of girls hang out. My AA is low enough that all I need is a canned/situational/compliment(my favourite) opener and I'm gold.

Incorporate more touching into my interactions. I now make it a point to tap someone on the shoulder or arm ASAP. Within the first minute of conversation and escalate from there.

Study some more theoretical game. Only practice makes me better but the theory helps, the escalation ladder in particular.

MAKE FRIENDS WITH GIRLS. I cannot stress this one enough, I have the skill now I just need to get out and do it.

Progress:
My networks are increasing. Not only do I have a core network of trustworthy gentlemen I have a wider network of guys I sometimes use to help me out from time to time. Since I know them all from University this gives me a bit of social proof and sometimes lets me demonstrate my leader of men capabilities.
Having an understanding of how to compliment a guy without supplicating to him is probably the best skill I've learned so far when it comes to making friends with guys.

Welcome aboard

Alright Fox,

Really enjoyed reading this so far! Keep up the good work and keep us posted. I'm defenitley going to be following this.

My game (if you can even call it that) is terrible. But when I started tyring to improve myself I noticed what you were talking about; women nearly throwing themselves at you!

I got a little but relaxed with it though and defenitely need to re-activate my social life. Need to start from scratch game wise. So I'll be posting too.

Ok, I've been working on my basics as always. My fashions really starting to take shape and I'm using a punk style, mowhawk, muscly, boots, coat, etc. I still don't know what kind of girl I want but as I said I don't really have a choice with such low skill.

I'm adopting new affirmations to improve my inner game and I now assume by default that every girl I meet not only wants me but that I'm in control and depending on the frame i set I can take it anywhere I want. It's from Swingcat and I think the direct/lowskill method suits me the best anyway.

The biggest thing on my mind right now is setting the right frame and trying to get the mix of cocky/funny right. It's easy to be cocky but it's not as easy to be funny. It's even harder for me to do them both at the same time to really get a girl wet. So I'm going to look up some comedians/improv for the funny and some in field daygame videos for the cocky/qualification.

PS, made a new female friend yesterday. I opened with a situational question and quickly sat down next to her assuming she wanted to meet a guy as cool as me.

I took a long break from actively learning PU to focus on exams, etc. UNI's over so I plan on hitting the clubs at least once a week.

Man I hate the clubs. The game is so much harder since you can't go direct and let your cockiness carry the interaction. I approached a few sets, the first I have ever done in a club. Got rejected of course but it was fine. The best part is that my suspicions were confirmed. Even in a closed environment no one pays any attention to me so I can say and do whatever and it doesn't matter. The last set i approached before leaving was a 2 set. One was disinterested on the phone and I'll have to think of a neg to deal with that again, or at the very least a C+F line I can throw to get attention and the other was paying attention to me. The one on the phone signalled using body language that I was AFC and said to me she was going to dance. The interesting part is that the interested one then said to me 'Oh no not in a BAD way'.

I think she liked me but was caught in her girlfriends stronger frame. What I should have done is told this one to stay because if she did I would have had an isolated girl to pick up. I'll give it a shot if it happens again.

-Mid game really needs work

-Openers are good enough for now
-Escalating sexually is easy as long as I'm comfortable.


Fashion has changed to a more smart casual look, working on growing out my hair SPAM lots of people are saying I'm looking more toned and muscly. It's summer here so I'm going to get a tan. The rockstar look was ok but I didn't feel congruent and it most definitely gave me a bad first impression to the average girl. Results were pretty good around the more alternative girls.



EDIT 29/10/12

I went on a date, I didn't do anything SUPER interesting. Just took my girl around town and got some lunch, found a hangout spot in the shade and talked. This girls very different to what I was expecting and interpreting what I needed to do to move the interaction forward was difficult. Overall I'd say the date was a failure. I'd kissed her as soon as I saw her to demonstrate a sexual relationship but didn't kiss her goodbye and despite LOT'S of staring into each others eyes I didn't really take any risks. Throughout the date I never asked where she wanted to go, it was always we go this way or we are doing this now., in that respect I think I was very dominant. My greatest fuck up was being a bit of a pussy worrying about what she was thinking instead of just trying for more sexual escalation.

At this point I have HEAPS of questions since this is the first time I've ever encountered a girl who I know likes me but expresses it in a way that I simply don't yet understand.

I realized a few things today. I'm way happier now than I ever was when i started this. I don't see women as manipulative or having the better life with their pick of men but rather insecure and very submissive even if they don't want to admit it.

I was thinking about my girlfriend today. She's a little insecure with no dominant male figure in her life. I realised almost every hot woman I meet has some sort of daddy issue. Hilarious I know. The epiphany I had today is that although the books teach us about attraction comfort and closing I couldn't understand why my future girlfriend was 'messing' with me. She would show major signs of attraction SMS-ing me all the time but whenever I made an overtly sexual comment she would go cold on me. I though she just wanted me as a texting buddy and so I blew her off to focus on other girls. It wasn't until I very slowly went from 'I like you/ I want you' texts to 'you so love me/ that's a sign you're super attracted to me' texts that I finally got through. After that I was able to meet with her in person and thing escalated from there. The flip on this from I'm picking you up to you're picking me up made her comfortable enough to start trusting me. Sounds simple I know but It took me the longest time to realize that.

In life my personality has made a huge change. I no longer think things like you can't say that! to being the first person to take things to the social limits. I also don't get uncomfortable around women of any beauty even when they ask 'embarrasing' questions like 'how often do you masturbate' I just flip it around on them and be like 'That's a terrible pickup line kid'. I'm not doing it with the intention of fucking the girl at some stage but simply to assert to her that I don't answer her questions/be her bitch. She's mine.

I was flirting with a girl I'll see somewhat randomly who had a boyfriend. We had the greatest conversation about how she was totally cute and yes, I was hitting on her. I pushed myself to say things that I thought was going too far just to see what the breaking point was for future HB's. I found out that because I was so laid back and comfortable about it there was no breaking point. Hell, the next day I see her she can't stop smiling and looking at me! FUCK YES. I'm going to push this and try to get in her pants I'm just not sure how yet. Last time I hooked up with a chick with her boyfriend I was just completely dominant and told her to break up with him. This time I want to try a smoother approach.

I was made conscious of the fact that I can talk to most people about anything today and that my 'nothing to say' fears were just that, nerves.

TL;DR
I'm bolder with my sexuality
I'm less jittery/nervous
My social skills are improving

I think the edit button has disappeared.

Ok 28/12/2012/ special day for me. At least it was before I turned 21 I was seriously worried about that!

Sometimes women just need someone to get the ball rolling. They say no and persistence does't seem to be working then the next step is to just take a step forward yourself and see if they stop you.

Goddamn my dick hurts.