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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:05 am 
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I'm 29 and these days I don't get the girls I want. I don't know what the hell I should say to them or how to say it. I don't get it at all.

I'm on plenty of fish and send out messages to girls I think are cool. I say what's on my mind and just speak naturally sometimes. Other times I use some gimmick I found on a PUA site. Sometimes I carefully read their profile and think about something to say and try to say something interesting that's not just "hey, what's up?" and my inbox remains empty [well there's a girl I could care less about who messages me... but she's one girl, kinda flaky, not that attractive, the list goes on].

I post adds on craigslist. I get spam in response or gay guys who think they can convert me to their team. I try writing all sorts of different things, posting at different times of day. Still the same results. Even when I respond to someone else's adds I get nothing worth while.

When I'm outside the house I don't even know what to say anymore. Everything I say doesn't work. I've tried picking up PUA, I've asked girls for advice, I've asked guys who get girls for advice. I don't know why I'm having such horrible results.

So I just gave up. I tried to enjoy life without every attempting to get girls. Working out, playing video games, watching movies, writing, drawing, whatever is fun to me. Trying to get some fun out of my lonely life. But it always comes back and hits me, being lonely that is.

So I figured everything I've done is wrong. It doesn't work. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. So I figured I'll start from scratch, assume I know nothing and ask where to start.

I've made an effort before to read material and figure this out on my own. I failed pretty bad. I don't like asking for help, I want to do everything myself, but I figure I need it at this point.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:11 am 
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Hey Chime,

I think you can still go back in the game, but yes you will have to start all over. If you know Neil Strauss who wrote book The Game, he also wrote another book The StyleLife Challenge. In this book he gives you 30days Challenge for yourself to overcome shyness, become more confident and when you will achieve that, than you will have no problem what to say to girls.

example:
-1st day he gives you challenge to Say Hello to 5 strangers
-2nd day he gives you challenge to Ask 5 strangers questions like (what time is it)
and so on he gives you every day this challenges, when you will be able to talk about random stuff with stranger, you will have no problem talking to girls.

wish you luck and remember you are never to old to pick up some girls :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:04 am 
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here are a list of questions for you, you can pm me with the answers, or list them in the thread,

what is your ideal type of relationship that you like to have with a girl?

lets pretend you were amazing with women and could get any woman you wanted, what is your ideal kind of girl that you are looking for?, seriously the absolute perfect girl, you can have anything at all, any girl, describe her

do you do anything in your life that forces you to interact with people and leave your house that you enjoy?

how physically fit are you? (what are your stats if you know them, bf%, height, weight, etc.), if you were to give yourself a rating out of 10, physically what would you rate yourself?

typically, if you were to rate the girls you go after physically out of 10, what is the average rating of the girls you go after?

how do you go about approaching women, what is your game plan once the approach works?

how often do you try to meet new women, and how do you do it mostly?

how is your life working out in regards to having friends?

what sort of interactions do you usually have between you and your friends?, what is the main medium for you to socialize with them?

what sort of aspirations do you have in life?, where do you see yourself in 5 years compared to now?

are you happy with your current job/income, is it enough to support a family?

lets say you had never read anything about pua, why would you say if you were to guess that there is a lack of women that you want in your life?

what is the population of the city/town where you live?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:06 am 
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eh...
tried it, didn't work for me for some reason.
I'm not understanding what I'm doing wrong, so I"ll just post what happens next time I meet someone.

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what is your ideal type of relationship that you like to have with a girl?
A girlfriend. Not friends with benefits. Someone I'm exclusively with that's with me who's also a good friend of mine.

lets pretend you were amazing with women and could get any woman you wanted, what is your ideal kind of girl that you are looking for?, seriously the absolute perfect girl, you can have anything at all, any girl, describe her
My friend Amy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not obsessed with the idea that she's the only girl for me. She's just the perfect girl for me.

Amy has long curly red hair, freckles, isn't in perfect shape but is still more fit than most women [athletic but not overly athletic is what I like, just in good enough shape to do fun stuff], Hazel eyes [but seriously if the girl was perfect, for me, she'd have sky blue or green eyes... not a big deal], Slim waist, C cup [I think... not really small but not massive].

Amy is always willing to do fun things like going swimming, hiking, wandering around in the woods, drinking places like in the woods. She smokes pot, but does a lot of other drugs [Not really in excess, but stuff I could care less for. A perfect girl would just smoke pot a little more than me but not be a complete stoner about it]. She doesn't really play video games but will [the perfect girl would be good at them and play them a lot. Fighting games, racing games, but one can't be too picky].

She has her own job and goes to school [perfect girl would just need to be able to support herself and wouldn't have the idea that a man should always pay for shit], doesn't assume I should pay for everything [actually between the two of us we both pay about equally. Sometimes she buys me drinks and such, sometimes I pay. no ones keeping track].

She's friendly and nice to everyone, even when they're mean she doesn't hold a grudge. Good listener, funny, sarcastic, kinda silly. Nice to my family [even though I don't particularly care for most of my family].

But she doesn't care for sex or dating [so she says, she's not one to lie though]. The perfect girl would love sex and want me.

do you do anything in your life that forces you to interact with people and leave your house that you enjoy?
Nope. Nothing that forces me to interact other than looking for a job. Even then the only interaction that's forced is going to the interview. My last job was at home depot and I was forced to talk to customers, but it was a really ghetto poor neighborhood and most of the customers weren't my type really.

I ride my bike, play soccer [which only forces me to communicate to those on my team, and even then I just say things like "Back" "man on" "time" etc.], occasionally I got to a nearby college and play fighting games if they have soul calibur or monopoly if anyone wants to play. But that area is mostly guys and girls I'm not into.

how physically fit are you? (what are your stats if you know them, bf%, height, weight, etc.), if you were to give yourself a rating out of 10, physically what would you rate yourself?
I don't know probably 10% these days [not in the best shape I've been in but certainly not fat], 5'9", 140lbs, thin/athletic [the in between], gay guys and older women always say I'm cute and people seem to love my hair [they say it looks like corban blue, whoever that is]. Physically I'm not really sure. I get mixed reactions, some people say I'm hot some don't mention it at all.

typically, if you were to rate the girls you go after physically out of 10, what is the average rating of the girls you go after?
Well Amy in the general scheme of other peoples opinions is most likely an 8 or 7 I guess. "10's" usually look like they have life too easy to have any kind of character or personality [and talking to them is rather boring most times]. Probably about 6-8's.

how do you go about approaching women, what is your game plan once the approach works?
A lot of times I just don't. I never know what to say anymore cause what I have said doesn't work. So if a girls near me I just say hello and start talking about whatever's going on. e.g. I went to a bar and went out for a cigarette and there were two girls smoking. They mentioned something that reminded me of south park, so I asked if they'd seen the episode I was thinking of. We joked and talked about a few episodes and then ran off on other topics. Then I was done smoking and went back inside and got another drink.

at the same bar I was looking for somewhere to sit and there were three 8's . I asked if I could sit next to them since there was an available seat. they said sure, I sat down, drank my beer. Then they mentioned the show Dexter and we started talking about it for a bit. Then they changed topic to some shit about their high school. I was bored with the convo so I just continued to drink my drink and didn't participate in it.

I saw a girl at the college and asked if I could use a lighter. She talked about parties and told me about one. I thought she was cute and asked for her facebook. She said she didn't have one, so I just kept talking about art and parties and such till the convo got boring then I left and played monopoly.

how often do you try to meet new women, and how do you do it mostly?
I try as often as I randomly run into someone who's cute and interesting enough to talk to. Usually I'm at a bar, some show, or whatever and having a cigarette and there's a girl also doing the same. We'll talk and if she seems interesting I'll ask for her face book or phone number. Once things get boring I stop trying and go back to what I was doing.

how is your life working out in regards to having friends?
Shitty. I live in Detroit, MI. I'm from Cleveland, OH. My best friend, Amy, lives in Cleveland. All my "friends" from cleveland are more concerned with superficial things like partying and getting laid and will blow me off when I come out there to visit unless I have alcohol. Well except Amy. Me and her go and do stuff like learning to hula hoop, exploring the woods, swimming, hanging out with her and her family or me and mine, etc.

In detroit I have acquaintances. I tried making friends when I got here, but they were like the "friends" in cleveland. I just run into people I know when I go to the college while I'm bored and we play monopoly or something but never hang out outside of there.

And then a few bars I know some of the people there but I don't go that frequently.

what sort of interactions do you usually have between you and your friends?, what is the main medium for you to socialize with them?
I really only have two friends. Amy and my younger brother. We just go and do things like going to the park or seeing a movie. But that's the rare times I'm in Cleveland. Sometimes we just sit around all day playing video games and watching tv. Sometimes we go and work out.

I get in touch usually with face book or my phone

what sort of aspirations do you have in life?, where do you see yourself in 5 years compared to now?
Now I just want my own car and my own place and a stable job. I used to want to start a homeless shelter and go to school for chemical engineering. That didn't work out. I'm just struggling to get on my feat these days. Since I was little the only thing that really drove me was the idea of freedom. Having my own things and doing what I want without someone always putting me down. I guess that's all I want now, then I'll figure shit out after that.

are you happy with your current job/income, is it enough to support a family?
Nope. Nope. I have no job and live with my dad. And finding work is becoming very stressful. Also the jobs I get I get fired from. Last one people said I was anti-social with my co-workers [I didn't wanna be on the softball team, didn't go to the christmas party, would give shortened vague answers to questions about my life, and wouldn't talk to anyone unless it was work related or they spoke to me first. But I did my job] and kept trying to pressure me to make friends at work. Then they let me go when the season was over.

lets say you had never read anything about pua, why would you say if you were to guess that there is a lack of women that you want in your life?
Monotone voice maybe. I'm not interested in a lot of things mainstream. I don't have anything to say that's interesting to people I say it to. I don't really know.

what is the population of the city/town where you live?
Um... Detroit, MI. Not sure, pretty high though.

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how do you go about approaching women, what is your game plan once the approach works?
A lot of times I just don't. I never know what to say anymore cause what I have said doesn't work. So if a girls near me I just say hello and start talking about whatever's going on. e.g. I went to a bar and went out for a cigarette and there were two girls smoking. They mentioned something that reminded me of south park, so I asked if they'd seen the episode I was thinking of. We joked and talked about a few episodes and then ran off on other topics. Then I was done smoking and went back inside and got another drink.
you don't know what to say?
let the girl know why you are approaching her (you find her physically attractive)
then figure out if she is similar to this
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what is your ideal type of relationship that you like to have with a girl?
A girlfriend. Not friends with benefits. Someone I'm exclusively with that's with me who's also a good friend of mine.

lets pretend you were amazing with women and could get any woman you wanted, what is your ideal kind of girl that you are looking for?, seriously the absolute perfect girl, you can have anything at all, any girl, describe her
My friend Amy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not obsessed with the idea that she's the only girl for me. She's just the perfect girl for me.

Amy has long curly red hair, freckles, isn't in perfect shape but is still more fit than most women [athletic but not overly athletic is what I like, just in good enough shape to do fun stuff], Hazel eyes [but seriously if the girl was perfect, for me, she'd have sky blue or green eyes... not a big deal], Slim waist, C cup [I think... not really small but not massive].

Amy is always willing to do fun things like going swimming, hiking, wandering around in the woods, drinking places like in the woods. She smokes pot, but does a lot of other drugs [Not really in excess, but stuff I could care less for. A perfect girl would just smoke pot a little more than me but not be a complete stoner about it]. She doesn't really play video games but will [the perfect girl would be good at them and play them a lot. Fighting games, racing games, but one can't be too picky].

She has her own job and goes to school [perfect girl would just need to be able to support herself and wouldn't have the idea that a man should always pay for shit], doesn't assume I should pay for everything [actually between the two of us we both pay about equally. Sometimes she buys me drinks and such, sometimes I pay. no ones keeping track].

She's friendly and nice to everyone, even when they're mean she doesn't hold a grudge. Good listener, funny, sarcastic, kinda silly. Nice to my family [even though I don't particularly care for most of my family].

But she doesn't care for sex or dating [so she says, she's not one to lie though]. The perfect girl would love sex and want me.
just throw out your standards when you are trying to figure out, let her know what you like and dis-like in a girl, and what you are looking for and what you expect, uphold your expectations, be willing to bend a bit, but not to far, these are your standards, seek them out, not even worth the waste of time to take a girl out who isn't even at least somewhat like what you actually want
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do you do anything in your life that forces you to interact with people and leave your house that you enjoy?
Nope. Nothing that forces me to interact other than looking for a job. Even then the only interaction that's forced is going to the interview. My last job was at home depot and I was forced to talk to customers, but it was a really ghetto poor neighborhood and most of the customers weren't my type really.

I ride my bike, play soccer [which only forces me to communicate to those on my team, and even then I just say things like "Back" "man on" "time" etc.], occasionally I got to a nearby college and play fighting games if they have soul calibur or monopoly if anyone wants to play. But that area is mostly guys and girls I'm not into.
you should pick up one hobbie that involves interacting with people and it would be an even bigger bonus if women are involved, make sure it's a regular thing that gets you out of the house, and when you are out of the house, that's your time to approach girls and screen them, don't go out of your way or anything, but in every day life, shopping, pumping gas, going out to play soccer, going out to the arcade, going out for a bike ride, going out to do your hobbie, what ever, you see cute girls all the time but you probably never stop them and try to talk to them, change this up, make a commitment to yourself that every time you leave the house and will be passing by people, you will approach one stranger and at the very least greet them with a hi, and if you're feeling in a good mood or feeling social you will start a conversation (and if there is a cute girl, screen her)
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how physically fit are you? (what are your stats if you know them, bf%, height, weight, etc.), if you were to give yourself a rating out of 10, physically what would you rate yourself?
I don't know probably 10% these days [not in the best shape I've been in but certainly not fat], 5'9", 140lbs, thin/athletic [the in between], gay guys and older women always say I'm cute and people seem to love my hair [they say it looks like corban blue, whoever that is]. Physically I'm not really sure. I get mixed reactions, some people say I'm hot some don't mention it at all.

typically, if you were to rate the girls you go after physically out of 10, what is the average rating of the girls you go after?
Well Amy in the general scheme of other peoples opinions is most likely an 8 or 7 I guess. "10's" usually look like they have life too easy to have any kind of character or personality [and talking to them is rather boring most times]. Probably about 6-8's.
cool, never neglect your looks, keep them maintained the best you can and always go after the girls that actually interest you, any girl at all, any time, don't be ashamed of going for girls other guys would deem unattainable, and don't be ashamed to go after girls you think are attractive that other guys might not, just go purely for what you want

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at the same bar I was looking for somewhere to sit and there were three 8's . I asked if I could sit next to them since there was an available seat. they said sure, I sat down, drank my beer. Then they mentioned the show Dexter and we started talking about it for a bit. Then they changed topic to some shit about their high school. I was bored with the convo so I just continued to drink my drink and didn't participate in it.

I saw a girl at the college and asked if I could use a lighter. She talked about parties and told me about one. I thought she was cute and asked for her facebook. She said she didn't have one, so I just kept talking about art and parties and such till the convo got boring then I left and played monopoly.

cool man, get to the friendly conversations and going with the flow after you screen the girl to see if she's what you like, and don't forget to let these girls know what you like about them and let them know you find them attractive (and what for)

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how often do you try to meet new women, and how do you do it mostly?
I try as often as I randomly run into someone who's cute and interesting enough to talk to. Usually I'm at a bar, some show, or whatever and having a cigarette and there's a girl also doing the same. We'll talk and if she seems interesting I'll ask for her face book or phone number. Once things get boring I stop trying and go back to what I was doing.

cool, I like this, just day to day life, not going out of your way, try to make more of a commitment to make this happen every time you see a girl you like, always go meet her, always do at least one approach every time you leave your house, always let her know why you're talking to her and get to the point of seeing if she is a girl worth seeing

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how is your life working out in regards to having friends?
Shitty. I live in Detroit, MI. I'm from Cleveland, OH. My best friend, Amy, lives in Cleveland. All my "friends" from cleveland are more concerned with superficial things like partying and getting laid and will blow me off when I come out there to visit unless I have alcohol. Well except Amy. Me and her go and do stuff like learning to hula hoop, exploring the woods, swimming, hanging out with her and her family or me and mine, etc.

In detroit I have acquaintances. I tried making friends when I got here, but they were like the "friends" in cleveland. I just run into people I know when I go to the college while I'm bored and we play monopoly or something but never hang out outside of there.

And then a few bars I know some of the people there but I don't go that frequently.

acquaintances is good, the only difference between an acquaintance and a friend, is having more things in common, spending more time together, and having more rapport, to make more friends instead of acquaintances, just take more of an initiative to get their contact info, take more of an initiative to actually contact them, take more of an initiative to get to know them better and actually offer to do things with them

when you're out in social situations meet guys, see if you have shit in common get guys phone numbers and offer to hang out to do something that you both have in common (maybe it's soccer or w/e), and for the girls that don't screen well for relationship/sexual material, you can friend zone them and hang out as friends also, the more friends you know, the more options to go out and socialize you will have, keep networking and eventually your network will network for it's self, really start putting forth an effort to approach people that you have hobbies in common with too, get to know the guys you play soccer with, meet people that like video games and biking, try to find more people to connect with, your brother and one girl is not a very wide social array of social options, that leaves you socially with a very limited range of possibilities for your spare time

it may seem weird to you at first, and some guys and some girls will be hesitant to just be your friend, but it works the same way with girls you are trying to sleep with, just don't worry about the people that are not interested, just keep focusing on those that are and trust in yourself... have faith and your network of friends will grow
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are you happy with your current job/income, is it enough to support a family?
Nope. Nope. I have no job and live with my dad. And finding work is becoming very stressful. Also the jobs I get I get fired from. Last one people said I was anti-social with my co-workers [I didn't wanna be on the softball team, didn't go to the christmas party, would give shortened vague answers to questions about my life, and wouldn't talk to anyone unless it was work related or they spoke to me first. But I did my job] and kept trying to pressure me to make friends at work. Then they let me go when the season was over.

this is really important man, get on this, not too many women are very interested in sleeping with a guy who can't take care of a kid (unless they are very young and not thinking about it yet at that age), also you leave yourself very little room in life to do the things you enjoy if you don't have the financial freedom, finding good work can be stressful but really take some action towards this and strive to better your situation and find a career you enjoy
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lets say you had never read anything about pua, why would you say if you were to guess that there is a lack of women that you want in your life?
Monotone voice maybe. I'm not interested in a lot of things mainstream. I don't have anything to say that's interesting to people I say it to. I don't really know.

what is the population of the city/town where you live?
Um... Detroit, MI. Not sure, pretty high though.

well, you don't have to have much things to say that are that interesting, there are alot of people in Detroit, you just have to find a girl that likes your off the beaten path sort of life and has things in common with you, she may be tough to find, but if you take your head out of the sand, start really being proactive and make an attempt to integrate and connect with people, allow yourself to take the lead leaving yourself more open emotionally and be willing to allow yourself to be put in vulnerable positions that make you feel uncomfortable, open up emotionally to people let them be a part of your life, instead of avoiding and shutting them out, then you will find you have a much better chance at this, you just have to make it a habit in your day to day life to meet new people, see what they are like and allow them the chance to become a part of your life, it's just like getting good at a new video game, just takes practice and you may hate a new game at first because you suck at it, but once you get good it can be really rewarding and enjoyable

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I have to say you two are surprisingly very straight forward about things here.
You don't beat around the bush and you give useful answers.
Thanks.

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