I found all of this back in 96 with Jeffries speed seduction. Got the original course then went to a seminar and even went to a hypnosis seminar with Mark Cunningham. Funny, while I was doing all this back in 99 and 2000 with pretty good success, my brother liked to poke fun at me calling it Svengali. I got a girlfriend and pretty much stopped using it the last 6-8 years and the same brother that hassled me previous told me about 'The Game' and alot of the names were guys I knew and talked to theorized on the old mailing list. So...I read 'the game' and saw the evolution. right now Im going over old stuff and integrating various methods in my head. Im not hardcore like I was back in the day. I reverted to AFC and am in the process of getting back to old form and integrating the social engineering aspect of some of the newer stuff with the communication methods of the Jeffries stuff.