where would you begin?

Hey guys, any chance I can get some advice and ask a question...

I'm a 18 year old mega-virgin (never kissed a girl), and I know why. I've always been the type of guy who has tons of female friends who love them, but due to an inability to make a move winds up being friend zoned. And my inability to make a move comes from the fact I don't know how to hold a conversation and so I stick to what I know... being funny. I've always been socially awkward due to being the fat kid in grade school, not going to school during middle school, and then being the skinny nerd in high school, so I never really got acclimated to a social life. Now recently three of my best female friends* (back from 2 years ago) decided it'd be accurate to endearingly call me the "creepy" kid to one of my relatives, and I suppose that's just pushed me over the edge.

*They were 9's, and two of them originally started flirting with me before realizing I was sexually inept and deciding to start acting like my sexy older sisters who wanted to make me some sorta pimp... they failed (if you couldn't guess xD).

Anyway, I've been reading about this stuff slightly for about 4 years and have a very basic knowledge of it. I've used a bit of it in my life to keep hot girls from walking over me and used a bit of the general stuff to get me out of trouble / help my nerdy talkative best friend lay a 10 (why can't I do that?!). Now I would seriously like to just jump in headfirst and see how much I can gather before college, though I realize if I want anything big to happen I'll have to keep going through this stuff for much longer then 2 months. If you guys had to go back to the start, what would you guys read first? I unfortunately cant get out and really start trying anything because of going on vacation in many different countries, but yeah. Where would you start if put in a somewhat poor situation like mine where you need to power read/study? And because I'm on vacation I'll have plenty of time to read!

And how about a goal: *At least* earn some tits by the end of the first semester.

Interesting question. This is the post that helped me break through as a PUA frame-control-defining-reality-and-bein ... highlight= . The stuff about the claw was especially useful because I never used to use kino. And of course The Game is what inspired me to make the change to begin with, despite how it ends. Read all you want, but you are going to give up unless you have some successes of your own and that will only happen when you try things out.

I know what you mean. I've read the game before, and your post looks interesting so I'll give that a read. I never really did get too far into this stuff during the past 4 years... maybe when I was bored and out of things to read I'd go check one of these books out but I never bothered really getting into it.

Also, I'd really like to get out and try some of it, but SPAM I'm drifting from country to country, and I don't really know how far I'll be able to get with girls speaking foreign languages unless they are really into that whole strong silent type.

I suppose all I can really do for now is read, and maybe once college comes around if I get no where then I'll start losing motivation... for now there's not much I can do so motivation isn't really an issue; I mainly have downtime at night, and then its either sit and read or sit and play video games...

I'm not a PUA by any means but what really got me into it was The Game by Neil Strauss. It's a great story and gives a lot of insight into the game overall. I think that's a great place to start, gives you a bearing on the history of PUA's. Then go from there.

I read the game, and it was definitely worth it... but as far as continuing on goes, well... where do I go is what I'm sorta hoping for!

Here's what I mean - In the end of the game, I definitely got the impression from Strauss that Mystery's method was the only method and everyone else was pretending they were better then they really were... like if I'm not mistaken he had some sorta mega rant about Durden at the end of it for some reason, I can't quite remember why (it was 4 years ago I read it), and it seems Durden is somewhat respected now, but maybe I'm wrong.

So I guess more specifically, what type of methodology resources would you guys be aiming for? I don't suppose you guys have an all-inclusive framework for this stuff laid out... do you? (If you don't, someone should totally write that... The Idiot's guide to Beginning Pick Up)

Also, this is kind of unrelated but I found it interesting how social psych ranks up against this... it seems to me like a lot of valid arguments presented by PUA would be shot down by psychologists even though they are usually true. Any comments? I'm planning on going for a neuroscience major in college so it'd be interesting to hear from anyone with a psych degree.

Hey Bro,

Welcome and we all have to start some where.... Your so young and have a whole life in front of you so that great man.
i would definately first start with woking on my inner game.. all the routines, lines, gambits and stuff u can learn n improvise but if u dont have a strong inner game than nothing would last.. i think..

there r different mPUA's suggesting different routines n patterns n stuff ( like mystery method, NLP, etc etc

So starting off u first need to work on ur inner game and then all the other stuff

Also Chief had recommended a newbiw mission, so even tho ur going from country to country and they speak different language n stufff , mate start with the newbie mission.... i would say go out tomorrow to a mall or main road or what ever.. take actions n get started


Spunky

Very interesting question which brings up alot of conflict in me.

On one side I'm thinking, if I could go back I wouldn't have read anything or taken any advice.

But on the other side I'm thinking, but if I hadn't read some of the crap that I read, I wouldn't be where I'm at today.

I think try out "rules of the game". From what I can recall, it's the only day to day program which gets you out there approaching + reading SOME (not too much) theory. And it actually gives you a goal such as "approach X number of girls with Y something", instead of "oh bro, just approach all girls".

Also it's good in that it can be adjusted. I know one day it was "use opinion openers on 5 girls". But instead I went out and used 5 situational openers instead.
So you don't have to stick to the guidelines of the book word for word. Also make sure if you are doing it, you don't skip days or take days of from the task.

Other than that I wouldn't worry too much about reading too much shit. Simply because there are no "rules" when it comes to picking up girls. I know when I started getting some success a while ago, I met this girl I really liked; and for some reason I wasn't as charismatic as I was with other girls. I ended up getting her number nonetheless. But I kept thinking to myself 'oh nah..I screwed it up...I didn't kino enough...not enough DHV...I lost her'.
Funny thing was I was planning on not calling her simply because some book told me I should do something one way and I didn't do it that way - so I thought I fucked up. When in reality she was sitting and waiting for me to call her.
Luckily I did end up calling her and we had a great time.

My advice is just get out there.

Thanks for the advice you guys

To spunky, I see where your going with inner game, and I'll work on that. I'll see what I can do about the newbie mission, but seeing as in 2 days I'll be in need of the ability to speak Italian, I might be in for some trouble! But I'll see what I can do

And vizzy, I can see where your coming from. I'm also debating the +/-'s of this all, for one I may make a giant fool out of myself first semester of college and be kinda screwed for 4 years, but eh, we'll see. Both of you guys seemed to recommend I start with some form of step-by-step book, so I'll see if I can find it for sale digitally somehow or I might be running out to the store soon.

That being said, aside from direct pick up stuff, is there anything else relevant that you guys might recommend me that maybe applies to a less girl oriented topic? I mean like, anything thats just interesting that might be more useful then reading just any book. It'll be a week and a half till I get home again when I leave Saturday, and since I'm not a big fan of illegally downloading stuff, I hope I can get a small collection together before I head out.

I read Double Your Dating (David DeAngelo) first off.

After that I read The Game.

I don't think The Game really gives you much that you can use. It introduces you to the most commonly known concepts in pickup and introduces you to the main 'characters' in the pickup industry at the time it was written.

I recommend Double Your Dating because:

a) it's short
b) it's easy to read
c) it's general rather than specific
d) it has great entry level concepts.

DYD introduces you to some very basic concepts without using a shitload of jargon and lingo. It's important to have this foundational level of understanding before you start trying to use negs, push/pull, DHV's, kino escalation or whatever, because it gives you an underlying way of thinking... that being "i'm the prize and it doesn't make a difference if this chick likes me or not." It teaches you about some basic goal setting and how to identify what KIND of woman you want to attract, rather than just any woman and also teaches you to make yourself into the kind of man a woman wants.

If you don't get those things, all the other tricks will tend to come off wrong, speaking from experience.

DYD isn't the be-all and end-all of pickup but it's a good starting place. Follow that with Rules of the Game and I think you'd be on the way.

I agree. If you are going to read something first, read DYD.

Then go out there an apply it for at least a few months without reading anything else.

Alright thanks you guys, I'm about to leave so I don't know if I'll be able to post for a while. I got DYD and RulesOTGame, and I guess I'll read DYD on the plane. I suppose maybe if I get any time alone from my family I might go out and see how hard AA hits me (even if I'm speaking a different language)... could lead up to some awkward, but funny, situations.

Since DYD isn't exactly laid out, how would apply DYD on/with a ROTG step-by-step plan work?

Hey bro, I'm totally new here and haven't read hardly any eBooks yet. I'm a guy trying to get back into the game after years of being married and a pending divorce. But one thing I can tell you is you have MEGA options right now. Being on vacation for a few weeks or months is the PERFECT time to try to meet some new girls and you actually have a HUGE advantage in a foreign country! Unless you're stuck in a remote village somewhere, virtually everyone around the world that you're going to meet will have some level of English speaking ability. The great part is, most of them are struggling with their ability to speak English and you will have an automatic conversational advantage. Some girls like the "shy" thing so play it up - many will find it cute and endearing. Learn a few phrases from the local language and try to use them - this will set them more at ease. Be nice, and funny, and most of all, try out physical escalation. Be a little bold - there is very little risk of embarrassment when you're somewhere you'll probably never be again. Work on body language, how you look at them, how and when you escalate and read their reactions. Girls are so much easier to read when you're not worried about your conversational skills. Set some goals - like to approach one or two new girls a day. Then set some new goals - like to physically escalate. Then get a phone number or address or room number. You might even meet some American or other English speaking girls in the hotels or hostels. Ask girls to show you around some of the local spots. Most of all, GET OUT THERE! One thing we can all be guaranteed is if you don't talk to anyone, you won't meet anyone, and you won't improve your skills. All the eBooks in the world won't help you if you don't get out there and meet girls. Set some goals - like to approach one or two new girls a day. Then set some new goals - like to physically escalate. Then get a phone number or address or room number. You might even meet some American or other English speaking girls in the hotels or hostels. Ask girls to show you around some of the local spots. Just DO IT brotha and even if you don't get a single PU, I bet you'll still learn a ton and gain some confidence! Good luck and come back and report on some of what you've learned!!

If you're still around dude, just read DYD. The plane sounds like a good time. Just read it, absorb it, process it. Write stuff down.

Then go out and try RotG with the DYD stuff in the back of your mind.

The other possibility would be to just read the bits about 'inner game' and how to talk to women. Then use RotG to get you going in a practical sense.

Once you start getting past the opening stages, read a bit more DYD to get some more help. Again, its only a starter (in my opinion) so just read it and absorb, then start putting stuff into practice with RotG.