I made an account for giggles and searched online dating sites as a woman seeking a man...man those profiles I read...dry as shit... . My profile is still a work in progress but damn...talk about no personality on more than 80%. Some profiles were okay....I mean, if that is what their profile is, I can imagine the real person in the flesh. And what I have noticed is that almost all of them (for example okcupid) had a green dot which meant the person replied all the time.


Personally, I think PUA is helping guys get their personality out there skipping the formalities...and that is a good thing. The girls i have been seeing stay in contact with me, even after they throw exclusivity traps in my face. They go on datesw with other men but usually seek to get in touch with me after awhile. I assume the guy they went on a date with or are dating is one of those boring types...maybe I am being elitist here but I am glad I found this site.

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Be carefu with that. POF caught me and IP banned me. I did it also and got a ton of great insights into the type of "game" guys run.

You should try pushing the limits on your account and see how far guys are willing to lose their dignity for the hope of a lay. It's insane.

Anyway, what you've probably seen is the true extent of the stuff we have learned. At one point this stuff was ingrained in me so much that I thought game was obvious and easy to everyone. Then, when I did that I actually saw the difference between what I/we do and what other guys do.

The profile I made got a couple hundred messages a day, and of those about 99% of them ran along the same lines. It stroked my ego a bit having reestablished my superiority to the average man.

That being said, the advice I see on this forum is terrible most of the time. There are about a handful of guys on here who actually know what they're talking about. People are giving advice like "just say hi" - I've seen a moderator give this advice... It falls into what those 99 percenters are doing and the people who talk like this aren't Real PUAs but average guys with an approach mechanism. The art of conversation is dying in PU due to companies promoting ideas like "it doesn't matter what you say". Then, relying on the law of averages.

Want to share some of the messages you are getting? It would help tremendously. I know what you're getting, but for those who don't it would enlighten them to the reality of what women hear on a day to day basis 100 times a day.

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What picture did you use for yours? I was talking to one guy and he messaged me out of the blue, I didn't even fill out the profile nor did I have a picture, but there he was, trying to talk to me and asking for a pic...
I just ran my own game lol, asked him what makes him different from other guys and he said the same spiel that you would hear in a romance movie. "be a guy you would never let go, blah blah blah", I even threw in a little resistance such "that is what the last guy said". After that he threw the whole "it is up to you blah blah" but later messaged me 10 minutes later . Actually here is the dialogue:

Melissa is me by the way...

Melissa:
Hi
Melissa
hi
Sent 11:58pm
Dude:
Pic would help names Jeff

Melissa:
eh maybe later . What do you got to offer.
Sent at 12:33am

Dude:
What you looking for
Sent from the OkCupid app 12:37am
Melissa:
not answering my question...
Sent at 1:07am
Dude:
What do you mean by it thought
Sent from the OkCupid app 1:08am
Melissa:
what makes you stand out from the rest of the guys
Sent at 1:09am
Dude:
I want someone I can talk to someone I can kiss just because I wanna make you feel like I'm the one guy you never wanna let go of
Sent from the OkCupid app 1:09am
Melissa:
that is what the last guy said too
Sent at 1:11am
Dude:
Believe it or not that's up to you at this point of my life get to know me and you realize I'm telling you truth
Sent from the OkCupid app 1:13am
Dude:
I'm not like other guys who really got to know me
Sent from the OkCupid app 1:17am
Dude:
Hey how are you
Sent from the OkCupid app 8:03am
Dude:
Good morning the only way you ever going to find out if I'm a true person to see if you got to know me
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I think once I get a picture going, I will probably see what the deal is.

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omfg this is hilarious! you should totally keep updating this with more.

This is a prime example why my message threads don't go past 3-5 messages. If I can't get a close by then I get suspicious and am out of there. If they don't respond I have a follow up system. Never send a bunch of unanswered messages in a row. Not online, not in texting.

You don't even have a picture up yet. He might as well as said,

"I'll offer you a saddle that you can put on my back."



What I did was google search blonde russian blog. I went to the 10th page of the search results and started from there. I wanted to find one of those underground blogs that had multiple pictures of a blonde russian chick so I would have more than 1 picture to make the profile seem authentic. I also wanted the picture to not be easily found.

Then the profile itself read something like this.

Hi! I'm Hanna. I'm foreign exchange student from Russia. I'm here in new york trying to learn english. I'm looking for new friends to show me around city!

That was it. I had 5 pictures of the girl on the profile. Anyway, feel free to post more of this stuff. More than 100 messages a day... Ridiculous.

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This is a rather interesting thread. I don't have much experience from online dating myself, because I think it is such a dishonest way to meet people. People are lying about themselves not only in their profiles, but all photos are only showing them from their best side, not how they actually look. So I prefer clubbing. But I have a friend (not a PUA) who's got much experience from online dating. What he says agrees with what you guys are saying - that the men's profiles suck big time. It's not even hard to write something better yourself.

Here is the girl by the way




It is insane. I picked a kinda cute girl for this time. I want to see how they fair and it seems like they get alot of play anyway. Melissa has these stats for her first day ...68 messages in ...279 Visitors...371 Matches (people that like her)....it is crazy seeing how the other side lives.


I will share a message that I knew was copied and pasted but here they are from a 34 year old man...I might call him out on it if I feel like it. I want to see what his response would be to that....since some girls know about PUA and shit...

DUDE:

After a rigorously brief overview of your profile I wanted to let you know I have already married and divorced you in my mind.

Thank you for all the wonderful imaginary memories! You will always have a special place in my heart.

Your ex-hubby,
Dan

P.S.
You can keep the dog and Spice Girls CDs, and I will keep the house in Hawaii and the pink Ferrari =)

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You are right...I am visiting ones here and there. So far I found a decent one. His message was


"Kssssh. Delta this is Bravo. Come in Delta. Kssssh. Over. "

which I must say is pretty catchy if I were a chick. And his profile had things like my puppy poops alot, I am running out of bags. Pretty much doing it right.

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Clearly that first guy sent that message to 100 girls.

I find the second guys message pretty light and fun. They both will get responses if sent to enough women.

So Melissa got 68 messages of which 2 where unique enough for you to mention. Want to share what the other 66 were about?

The first one had nothing about her profile in it. When I tried that blanket no profile info copy paste style I found response rate was really bad, and often girls would call me out and say I sent that to everyone. Some responded though. The law of averages works well online.

To get around that, my document has copy paste messages focused around keywords. I have about 10 keywords. Each keyword has 8 separate messages to match pandora's box psychologies. It was a ton of work to create at first but since it's been done...man.

I have a few fun chatty ones like that to match certain women psychologies, but it's still tailored to keywords. Then I just do a search of profiles only with the keyword in it. If I'm lazy I don't even read the profile or match the psychology. I'll just copy one that's about "running" for instance and send that to every cute chick with running in her profile.

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I read the Pandora box thing...seems a little tough to absorb but if you did all that and it works..worth a shot too look at again.



Now, I read all the messages, and that was EXHAUSTING. I can imagine what goes through a girls mind when she encounters so many. I read past the ones that only contained the word "Hey" or calling Melissa beautiful, gorgeous...etc.

There were other messages where the guy voluntarily offered their information about how they got a car and what they are doing with their lives...mind you I haven't asked or messaged them first....or they went into the deep stuff and tried to find common ground with Melissa and her degree in Special Education, I mean that was nice but....eh, there were 4 guys trying to do that.

There were a lot of messages with the Hey my name is _____, how are you
Lots of "Hey there", "HI",

Some messages were along the lines of "Oh, I don't really know what to say without sounding creepy etc"...

There were a couple of random ones like "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" not sure where that comes into play so I ignored that. One of them messaged me saying that our match rating means we are soulmates, what house in Hogwarts will I be placed in...that one was a little better....





Yeah me and that second guy are getting along justt great. I will probe more but I will leave him alone soon. He seems coo and it is unethical in my opinion to keep going...since well...Melissa isn't real, but for the sake of helping guys on here...

Dude
Kssssh. Delta this is Bravo. Come in Delta. Kssssh. Over.
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Melissa:
Ah just lost the signal...
Sent at 2:40pm
Dude:
God damn T-Mobile..
Sent from the OkCupid app 3:24pm
But for real did you see the new 50 shades of grey movie?
Sent from the OkCupid app 3:38pm
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Not yet...is it worth a watch??

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I pretty much cheat when it comes to learning new stuff. I learned how to create memory pegs. I then developed a mind palace to store everything. I was on a super learning kick a while ago. I used the abilities to write down everything in the pandora's box system in my head like little notes.

Including all the stuff about approaching and cold reading and 3 ways and managing fbs etc. Then I put it to a practical test in real life. That's when I discovered being good at something required more than just memorization. I saw myself making mistakes even though I knew better and was in my head reviewing notes while in interactions with women. So what I did was just visualize the scenario and practice them for an hour a day. Then when I got in field it was second nature. All of it worked. Since though, I've replaced much of the actual techniques with better materials. The psychologies though are still foundation to everything I do.

Check out kevin trudeau's Mega Memory. He won't tell you in the program, but you have to review stuff to keep the memories alive or you will lose the stories. After write a story down in your mind review it every day for a week. then one time a week for a month, then 1 time a month. You'll start accumulating a ton of knowledge and will need a place to organize it. So create a mind palace. It will all get extremely easy. Well, that's what I did. I got tired of having to read something 10 times to absorb it, and still losing pieces even after I've done that.

kevin trudeau stole most of the stuff in that program from dominic o'brien a British 8 time world memory champ.

Having super learning skills is definitely a plus when absorbing PU programs. You basically download the Guru into yourself.

Yeah, I knew most of the messages would read like that. I sort of felt bad for the cool guys also. I'm a bit though and I started doing shit like forcing guys to tell me jokes and stories. I also tested making rude disrespectful even racist comments to guys to see if the would have any dignity. Nope they kept trying to impress my account even through all of that.

You should play out some of those threads to see how the smoother guys try and close vs what the other 99% are doing.

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Well i pushed some of them ...here are two notable ones. The first one kept his dignity...but he was stacking lol. I wanted to see if he got creative but he didn't....eh, maybe I am a high maintenance chick

The second one...wow...just steamrolled his ass.




DUDE:

After a rigorously brief overview of your profile I wanted to let you know I have already married and divorced you in my mind.

Thank you for all the wonderful imaginary memories! You will always have a special place in my heart.

Your ex-hubby,
Dan

P.S.
You can keep the dog and Spice Girls CDs, and I will keep the house in Hawaii and the pink Ferrari =)

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY
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Melissa:
This message seems familiar....
Sent at 2:31pm
DUDE:
haha you are too adorkable… haha I don’t think we could ever reconcile the divorce – we are just too similar... we would fight and throw things and have incredible make up sex all over the place and fight more, then sex, fight, sex, fight… too much drama and intense feelings for me!
Sent at 6:04pm
Melissarod
well at least you did something with the copy and paste method....
Sent at 7:55pm
DUDE
Well, I suppose it is worth the effort to try again and I do want to be together... and the sex was amazing (when you were able to handle it)! I’ll promise not to break your heart if you promise to lose the pool boy's number. I mean, come on, he had a peg leg and no eyelashes…
Speaking of numbers… I’m sorry; I seemed to have lost yours in all the messy divorce stuff. Why don’t you send it to me again and we can begin rebuilding. This time it’ll be fun, exciting, and full of adventure!
Sent at 8:04pm
Melissa:
if only you were original...if only..
Sent at 8:31pm
DUDE
do you go to UB?
Sent at 8:33pm
Melissa
oh are you done with that whole thing up there ^?
Sent at 8:36pm
Melissa
give me something original
Sent at 8:36pm
DUDE
you dont know if you go to UB?
Sent at 8:37pm
Melissa
not answering until you give me an original opening message....up to you
Sent at 9:03pm
DUDE
So, I was thinking about robbing a bank, then fleeing down to the ocean, driving into the water in a really dramatic way and faking my own death.... are you in? Don't worry, scuba tanks are in the trunk.
By the way, you may need to drive though, and you should probably bring some sandwiches, no egg salad though, it smells like farts.
Sent at 9:13pm
Melissa
Dude...I have heard this one too....
Sent at 9:14pm
Melissa
Just off the top of your head ....get creative...
Sent at 9:15pm
DUDE
k bye

DUDE 2
Dude
Wow you are incredibly gorgeous. Honestly, after reading your profile I'm more attracted to who you are than your looks. I'd like to get to know you more if you're willing to let me.
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Melissa
Are you sure....I like the physical just as much...
Sent 2:37pm
DUDE
Are you attracted to me
Sent 4:58pm
Melissa
Do you like sex?...
Sent 5:01pm
DUDE
I love it do you
Sent 5:01pm
Melissa
I thought you looked past my looks thought
Sent 5:04pm
DUDE
You're gorgeous but l like that you have more to you than that, you have goals and a future. And that's more important to me. And who doesn't like sex?
Sent 5:06pm
Melissa
what if I wanted just sex right now?....

admit it, you want to get into my pants.
Sent 5:08pm
DUDE
I would want to get in your pants but after sex I'm hoping the pillow talk would lead to a date
Sent 5:12pm
Melissa
I want an expensive dinner...first...then we talk about sex..
Sent 5:13pm
DUDE
How about we talk and see of we like each other.. first... then we talk about expensive dinner
Sent 5:16pm
DUDE
If*
Sent 5:16pm
Melissa
Nah
Sent 5:17pm
DUDE
Oh wow so you just want sushi from me
Sent 5:21pm
Melissa
yes....
Sent 5:21pm
DUDE
Ok let's go grab sushi tomorrow
Sent 5:23pm
Melissa
you are paying....
Sent 5:27pm
DUDE
Well yea, it's a date, my mother works be really upset if l made you pay for your food on our first date
Sent 5:28pm
Melissa
you won't get laid on the first date just saying....
Sent 5:41pm
DUDE
Laid? I'm more interested in getting a kiss
Sent 5:43pm
Melissa
more dates for that one...
Sent 5:51pm
DUDE
Hmm no kiss? That doesn't sound good
Sent 5:53pm
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take it or leave it..
DUDE:
I'll take it

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Yeah this is true copy an paste from the book. He didn't change a word. When I used that one, the first time a girl sent be back a link where some guy had typed it on a forum. we'll probably be searched and linked now too.

I don't know about you, but to me this opening line came off forced and weak.

Wow you are incredibly gorgeous. - As you can tell a ton of guys kick things off with compliments. He lumps himself into their category from the start.

Honestly, after reading your profile I'm more attracted to who you are than your looks. - I've found explicitly stating something like this to women throws up red flags to them. Like he's basically outing himself that he infact is attracted to Melissa for her looks. Then he also states to the girl that he is a liar.

I'd like to get to know you more if you're willing to let me. - Then he begs for Melissa to give him a chance. This tells me he doesn't get many responses, if any... Plus the begging on his hands and knees... it makes my stomach turn. He doesn't even know this chick.

Then the message chain has him flip flopping his opinion and telling you everything he thinks you want to hear. Finally he attempts to pay for the attention.

I did like how he was pushing to get you off the internet as quickly as possible though. Giving into demands is always bad news in my book. Some guys don't care.

If a girl told me to buy her an expensive dinner I would tell her to kick rocks.

This is interesting, post more.

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Good analysis.



I used a new girl that is hotter in my opinon, than Melissa. Lets just say most of the guys are telling her how hot she is. Some of them actually got a little crude with her. Not sure why that is, Melissa didn't get any "i want to bang you" messages. Probably because she is skinny and just a pretty face lol ? Or it may have to do with her profile? the way she talked. Anyway, new girl code name is Mandy....she is a part time server trying to get back into school.

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I laughed till I choked!

Fuck man, I'm glad I ain't doing none of this shit.

You and I both....^^^

So far her matches are at 579....some lopsided shit. No wonder some of these girls value novelty.



I gotten some interesting ones...like they follow up a no response with something cheesy...for example
Like why...is that effective?



DUDE
Hi, how's it going?
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Ooh noo!!! I think my message may have got lost in a flood of other crude and hasty come-ons by shirtless douchebags and total bronups!



This one isn't too bad...if I were a chick, I would possibly answer..This guy is pretty geeky looking but his profile is better than what i have seen...


DUDE:

You intrigued me with your smile, although it is kinda mischievous and says "I'm sweet but I know I can get away with things". You almost lost me with your impeccable spelling and use of grammar :p. You also drew me back in with active lifestyle, appreciation for intelligence and B.S calling abilities. I had to see if there was more to you than what meets the eye.

What's the best adventure you've been on in the last 6 months?
Hi I'm Miles



Now for Mandy...girl with big boobs and glasses...i am not sure why they hit on her hard like this but here goes

DUDE
Hi how's Ur day going? Wow what a beautiful pic. Just had to say hi:)
U ok with chatting or grabbing a coffee or drink with an older outgoing athletic guy. I love sports and the outdoors, I can send some pics if Ur interested in chatting . I'm Todd btw



Same double message like Melissa received...
Dude
Hey there. Any time to talk it up, laugh and just have some banter back and forth? I'm Justin by the way.
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I'll just assume that you a rather buried in messages and havent found this one yet.


Just for giggles...

DUDE:
Please be my dominatrix I'll do anything to be your slave

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