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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:00 am 
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i don't claim to be an expert in phone/text game, but i feel it is a common sticking point that many people have encountered. i am writing this post to try and advise guys on what they could do. i do not claim it works, but from my experience it is effective, all it is, is a set of principles i keep to regarding phone game. i know there are more experienced guys out there so if you disagree entirely with my views, throw your stones, say what you need to, but PLEASE contribute to this post so guys can actually benefit from it and get over this sticking point.

Quite a large amount of guys choose to play the numbers game. this is kind of what i do as well. this is only because my logistics never work out for getting laid (have started considering bathroom sex, blowjobs and such).

In the next few sections i will discuss what options you have when you approach you phone game. The point is for you to take what suits you, apply it, and then master it.
DO NOT OVER THINK THINGS. Girls will not analyse a message or call as deeply as guys do, unless your tone forces them to.


1) Text or Phone call


Personally, i prefer phone calls.

Phone call
pros:
personal, immediate and decisive, thoughtful and sincere, higher likelihood of response (answer)
cons:
try hard, placing too much value on target

Texts
pros:
quick, precise, potential for fun, could convey that you are busy, potentially convey higher value
cons:
detatched, lower likelihood of response

Both can be argued for as the alpha choice to make. This is entirely up to the individual. You may want to follow the social convention in your region for this.

In South Africa, everyone has access to IM mobile applications: BBM, SPAM, MXit. The social convention would be to add the target on one of these platforms and then casually communicate with her.

The choice you choose to make is entirely personal style. You may realise that one type of response would work better with certain types of girls. The method with which you choose to initiate conversation will be something she will think about, but please do not over think this.
The most important part of initial contact is the content.



2) Timing
How long to wait before the first interaction (call/text)
How long to wait to reply to her reply
How long to wait to send another message if she hasn't replied to the first

This really gets to me, and i'm sure many targets as well. Guys choose to wait a set period of time before their first contact. For most people that amount of time is 3 days.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS CONVENTION.

YOU: Why guesss? Why should i not follow this convention?
GUESSS: I'm glad you asked. Simply, because its stupid.

If you want to contact a chick, grow some balls and actually do it
. People say that the 3 day rule or whatever time period the chose to tell you is effective because it is the ideal time where you don't seem too keen and don't seem to disinterested.

As a PUA and an alpha, you are not limited by these social conventions. If you're reading this you are probably educated in PUA techniques or are learning. You should understand by now that what got you her number was probably your uniqueness. You were NOT the same as everyone else, you were different and that is why you are there with her number.

Just think about it for a while. Unless you used some weird technique to extract her number, she willingly gave it to you, which is permission to actually use it.

Phone/Text her at your convenience. You can contact her the following day, just as long as the reason for contact is valid.

The following is under the assumption that the text route has been taken...

If she contacts you first, take it as an IOI. Do not expect this to happen too often.

The key to replying and doing so at leisure is don't set time for your reply. If you are pre-occupied, whatever you are doing at that time is more important. Once you have some free time you may reply.

Another important factor to consider when replying, is that the person that ends the conversation or doesn't reply, has the power. I have read so many posts where guys are going crazy because a girl has not replied to their last message. They may have played a smooth game, but proceed to f*ck it up by sending many other messages after their last (or first) one, hoping that they'll get a reply. They seem totally mind screwed because they don't know why she hasn't replied and they keep pussying around and start doubting their game. If you manage to end the texting first, this will NOT occur.

This brings up an important mindset. You cannot place so much value on a girl. By placing so much value that you so desperately require a reply to calm your nerves you are starting to develop one-itits, she is not that important, even if she is, you cannot allow her the power. If for some reason you were having a text convo that just died out suddenly, DO NOT FREAK. She is missing out on texting with someone as awesome as you, it is HER loss. Now that you have read this, you will be prepared in the event that this happens, however if you end the conversation suddenly as i have described, then she will be left wondering. It will not phase here at all if she is awesome herself and knows that you're missing out on her, unlikely.

3) Content

This is another area guys tend to cock up.

Guys will send a text that has a funny comment so as to initiate conversation, usually together with a "how you doing" line, a nice sentiment and some comment on the last time time you have seen her as well as your desire to see her again. Not always in that order. i'm sure you have sent this message before and do not need an example.

Even though i am against such a message it may derive a response, which is fine, the text convo can continue as long as you remember the advice from 2).

YOU: What do i do after she has stopped replying or when i have stopped or ended the text?
GUESSS: I'm glad you asked, again. It's like your in my head with the aptness of your questions, mysterious 2nd person speaker.

When you reach this phase, you should not re-initiate convo unless she replies or re-initiates it herself.

Just btw, you shouldn't be texting if you're not interested on her. So dont waste time replying msgs to fugly girls unless you intend to use them as a pivot for their hot friends.

So at this time you have either ended texting or have not initiated texting because like me, the above generic initial message does not suit your style. So what text do you send now?

Your next text will be an invitation to some event... dinner, drinks, lunch, going out.
The manner in which you word this invitation will determine whether she will accept or not, unless ofcourse she is genuinely busy, it would be ideal if you try and make sure that you know whether she is busy or not before you propose a time.

The invitation should imply that you were going to the place anyway, and you are simply offering her the opportunity to join you and experience your awesomeness once again. You should make the invitation something she has to work for, like you expect something in return (not sexual). The tone has to be playful and fun, like your attitude.

I am to going out for drinks on thursday. do you know any good places? ...hmm.. i suppose you could come along, if you promise to behave.

if she says she wont behave, then she's just playing and she's coming, if she does promise to behave you can tease her most of the night on maintaining her good behaviour or she won't be allowed to go out with you again. she might say she's busy, this could be genuine, or you didnt build up enough attraction during your meeting with her.

Another invitation text

Dear Green dress girl. i need your help. They're after me. You're not safe. meet me at place/pick you up at time. :)


Ok, so i've just given you some guidelines to follow and created a thread people can refer to when experiencing sticking points with phone game. I focused on texting because that seems to be the more common game choice from the posts I have read.

i really hope this post is useful, firstly because it would mean the last hour or so of my life would not have been a waste. Follow my advice as guides and i hope your success will be similar as mine. That is why i have posted this. I do understand that game is usually international but phone game can be a bit more cultural depending where you're from so this might not work everywhere, i know it works in my region just fine. If you do have any criticism please comment and actually contribute to this post with some input to the subject matter.

thanks for reading

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:19 am 
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As i mentioned i prefer phone calls. I recommend you do this as well.

here2play highlighted why one should avoid texting, just keep in mind that its personal preference. I'm sure someone could manage to create an equally strong argument for texts.
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It also highlights the danger of txting. txting is flat and emotionless and it's hard sometimes for people to take things in the context it was meant. You may have been able to say that face to face and it would have been taken OK because she would be able to see your facial expressions, hear your voice tonality and would have been able to have put it in the context of the larger conversation but in a txt it is just you sounding like a overbearing jerk.

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after you set up a day 2, what's your conversation like? For example i set up eating lunch with a girl a week in advance because either her or i would be busy. now i haven't contacted her since then and its like 2 more days till we meet up. should i follow up on the day off to confirm saying something like PUA-hey i'm about to go to (place to eat) or should i still continue to talk to her through text and get to know her more?


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when i phone a chick to set up a day 2 its usually very chilled and playful. i try to relax because i notice that some people talk very weirdly on the phone. i understand your situation, you want to confirm the date but you don't want to convey the wrong message when you do it.

How did you set up your day 2? in person? phone call? text?
i'm going to assume its not text, here's why. If it wasnt text you have no record of what you said in the conversation. By record, i mean what was said during the conversation.

So, two days or so ahead of your date, just phone her, asking to check what time you were supposed to pick her up/meet her. The truth is she probably remembers it, so whatever you say to remind her of it will be kinda re-iterating this and may lower your value.

To compensate for this if you hear a change in tone, even if you don't just say, you wanted to check because you have some other made up arrangement just before that and you just wanted to make sure that the times don't clash.

An alternative to this is that you could phone her two days before and suggest another location for your date.

Everything you do must be under the pretense that the date WILL be occurring. Don't doubt that for a second, dont think that it may have slipped her mind, you're awesome and she'd be crazy to not want to have lunch with you. She must NOT know that you were a little uncertain whether or not she was going to show up or remember.

i know your situation screwed you over her but try to set dates that aren't very far away. like if i phone a chick i met on saturday today, i would make the date for somewhere in the next 3 or 4 days max, and then we could probably meet up on the weekend again. If for some reason she cant suit my timetable, or those max 4 days, then its too bad, i'm too busy (even if this is not true). i do this to maintain the alpha part in me, that i'm busy, and to make it a challenge for her to try and work me into her schedule. you dont have to worry about my 4 day thing, its a guide for me, not a rule.

i'l tell her she can phone me if she's free or something and maybe we can make something work. Or i can find out when she is free beyond that 4 day max and phone her 2 days before that date.

i dont think you should ever get to know a chick through texts. Here in South Africa, mobile IM is very very common. So if i have her on one of these networks i would chat to her casually but not too often. Maybe like 3 times a week, and those 3 times would be a good solid chat.

good luck dude

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Im a pua and here is a couple of great texts to send girls your gaming.

“Get me out of your bag, its sticks in here!”

2 part text
“Try and read this text without smiling”
“Knew you couldn’t ;)

There fun, playful and display an air of cocky funny and dominance
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Very good post mate, just what i was lookin for. Nice one


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Great post, and with a great sense of humor. I really enjoyed reading it, and I'm sure will be a great help to many of us.

I personally prefer calling though, but will try this without a doubt.

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from another thread, may apply to guys who also like playing these little text games. i dislike it, personally i think you're miss-using text.
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So i met a HB8 yesterday at the beach and texted her during lunch today
our convo went like

Me: Hey
Her: Whose this?
Me: Mat
Her: From the beach?
Me:If you wanna call it that (We met at a dock)
Her: Haha ok the dock
Me:yup, what are you up to?
Her:At my relatives
Me:What are you doing there?
Her:Boring stuff cuz their old but my cousins are bout to come over :)
Me:How old are they?
Her:17 19 and 20

Anyway it seems like i'm the one doing the asking and shes not putting any effort into it but when we were face to face we were flirting a lot what do i need to do?
PU is mostly about getting girls. not getting girl. dont put too much value on her. there'll always be another girl just as hot or cool to game.

this casual texting thing your doing... its not cool. its needy and beta (in my opinion). it would be fine if it was through some mobile IM, like BBM or something. you're going to come across as a generic nice guy. you can maybe pick up chicks being nice, but this nice guy thing wont take you very far. you need to be different if you want chicks.

my advice. forget texting, you wanna make progress in this developing relationship with this chick. you need to do it in person. dont text for a day or two unless she initiates it. and dont be as keen as you were when you were replying. be alpha, funny, teasing and chilled. hope this may have opened your eyes and helped

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The best strategy that has ever worked on me was one of my PTs. He's cocky, sexual, exudes alpha male and used the direct approach. I didn't realize he had me eating out of the palm of his hand until I typed a text that sad "help me burn some calories today, I'm thinking intense cardio" I started to back off when he said he was "busy" *well played* forgot about him then he texts me randomly about a week later "my place or yours i get off at 7" damn near hooked me again.

I say either go with non chalance I'm going out to eat, feel privelaged I'm inviting you approach or go alpha and say "Im going here, be there in 30." From my experience when a guy takes control of a situation my lust points sky rocket.

Whatever you do keep it short as possible, I find myself less attracted the more someone texts me about stupid shit. the hey how are yous and the what are you up to?


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its good to know that my approach works mostly. tareaxtragedy's post shows this. i know i did put the somewhat direct approach in my post, but as tareaxtragedy has said, the proper direct approach with obvious sexual intent can be very useful. The individual will need to decide when it is appropriate to use which one, this knowledge can only be attained through experience. you will have to use both and see what results you are getting because style and game various dependant on each person.

my wording came out weird formal because i just watched The Last Samurai.. lol

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i personally like text, i do not call them on the phone at all... this has been working for me lately:


Sup, i you are lots of fun, but do me a favor and stop please! (100% of the time with the stop they reply)


Thinking about me and smiling, i bet you are doing it right now...


i like texting i get a feel if she is flake or a waste of my time...I do not like the phone....

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If you guys dont know how to end texts there's two general ways

1) You have something else to do, you're busy.

2) Just end it in a non conversational word after her reply, "cool", "awesome".

You're suppose to use one of the above dependant on the situation. If you guys are using the 2nd one a lot, try just not replying, after a while its obvious the conversation is over.

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Good Post! , i like the 3 day rule when you text the ladies and it's effective and does not make you look desperate, tested and proven if doubt field test and see for yourself! :twisted:

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My guide to Phone Game:
1) Only get the number if she gives it to you. Do not ask. If you have to ask your game was weak or she wasn't interested and will flake.
2) Use the phone as a bridge to set up a meeting. Don't become her phone buddy.
3) Once in a while send FUN texts just to have fun without trying to get anything from this.
4) Strike while the iron is hot. Fuck waiting 2, 3, 4, 5 days to call. Call when you're available and as soon as possible. Hot girls have stuff going on their life and change idea in a heartbeat.
5) Do not supplicate. Give her a chance to meet, if she's not interested move on.

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1) Not everyone is a mPUA. Newbies have to start somewhere, so feel free to ask for number, but in a casual way, its better if you hint at it.

3) i dont think guys should do this, ever. see what works for you, but i dont recommend it. it doesnt come across as alpha if you're sending messages like that, but maybe your game isnt too reliant on being alpha, its personal preference.

agree with rest of rules though

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