Let me give you a bit of background...

so i f closed this girl i met in a shop (read about it in my journal to see how)

We were at her place, and after doing the deed, chilled out and talked.

in the mist of conversation, in particular, relationships she says:

"its obvious what this, we're each other fuck buddys and nothing else"
- (i thought thats a first for a girl to say that!)

a little later.. she starts giving me feedback on mistakes i made during texting and the drinks beforehand! i was taken aback how open and honest she was.

To the point.. shall i tell this girl im trying to become a pick-up artist?
The cons:
-what have i got to lose? - i dont care if i dont see her again.
-one less social contact. - but again.. im making more every day.
-repulse her. - again dont care.
-thats all i can think off - any suggestions would be great.

The Pro's:
-I could have my own pivot!
-She may even come nights out with me and help me get better
- could possibly attract her more?
-get a female opinion of things (invaluable!)
- thats also all i can think of..

The reason this comes to mind is from Neil Strauss: The Game.
He comments that all the girls he see's know he's a Pickup Artist. But still shag him.
- i was like wtf?

So anyway.. im seeing her tomorrow. Hopefully ill decide before then

Cheers,

Boyo

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my steady girlfriend knows I am an aspiring PUA, and even knows I gamed her. she hasn't dumped me or anything. of course, it's assumed that I do not go out sarging. but she is OK with knowing that I have the skills to win over other girls. I taught her some PUA lingo and concepts. and promised one day I will buy her a copy of "The game"

there's nothing wrong with telling a girl about it. just do it in a funny interesting way and try to convey that it's a lot about self-improvement, and not just learning a bunch of scripts to get laid.

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I must disagree with that. It's not good to say that. I do not consider myself a pick up artist and if I would, I would say a word.

I believe this only generates insincere and plastic minds in girls head as you're manipulator, insincere and simply try to overcome your low value by reading books, learning techniques for seducing girls.

Once I have met a friends's friend who considers himself as a pua. Honestly, it looked and felt stupid when he told so and described what he does and son. It's no fun, except it shows that he has something to compensate for.

And as for thinking that you can seduce some girl by using techniques is really not that affective as letting your woman know that you always seduce girls once they come in contacts with you because of your personality, not techniques and things you read on the internet.

I have to agree with above this is generally a bad idea
mostly for the same reason you don't straight up women you work out, or your on the football team. It makes you look like you're qualifying yourself, and that your insecure, and that you don't do it because it's fun you do it to impress women; PUA isn't done so you can get a title and run around telling every girl you know.

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Ill say straight off id never boast or make it openly public im trying to get better at picking up women. -I agree it does look like your justifying. Or just plain sad!
-Im also not into the script thing.. i try to be as natural as possible, the past two months ive worked on inner game mostly (my journal explains it better)

However seagull made a good point: So maybe a mix between the two? perhaps not saying outright.. "Im trying to be a pick-up artist" -you wouldnt get another second to explain yourself.

However.. also saying in a round-about way is also creepy like: "im trying to improve myself and get better at talking to women"

Its looking like a i shouldnt unless theres any ideas how i can get what i want (the pros) without these negatives?

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So i did it.

Went round, had some casual sex, had a talk after and we came back onto the the subject of what i did wrong on the drinks beforehand (the first time we met, also i dont know why she kept coming back to it)

I said to her: "tell you what, since where on the subject, give me more feedback. im always up for improving myself" - so she said dont leave her waiting.. ( i was two min late lol) Work on my dancing (im an awful dancer). That was it.
(i was happy with that!)

Then i said: you could be my guru or something! next time im meeting a girl or have trouble texting, ill ask you for advise"

She replied: "Yea that would be awesome, ive always wanted to be a guru!"

And that was that.. not quite a pivot on a night out. But its a start! I have my own personal adviser/f*ck buddy. Awesome.

I guess its down to the girl, she is one of a kind to be happy with that, she'd even said she would still f*ck me even after giving advise on getting into another girl!

So if you're ever thinking about saying. Then here's the method to do it

Regards!

Boyo

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This sounds like the perfect relationship haha, I envy you mate.

I'm really glad for you that you nag out and f*ck with so open minded girl.
And also, it sounds she is more experienced than you, which means you can learn a lot about social interactions (and may be having better sex).

I have two objections though:

- you did not tell her what you wanted - You didn't tell her you are a PUA.
(but I don't think is a good idea anyway) I mean you told her something but is not exactly what you are.

- don't trust girls as you trust your buddies!
(girls spread the word much faster than guys)

In this relationship you look more as a sheep, not a wolf,
and true PUA should be the wolf.
Correct me if I'm wrong!

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Blown_away is correct. Buckle up for a little drama. . .

Boyo: In your initial analysis, there's one major aspect that you left out. You left out HER "pros and cons". Since you do not know nor care about these things, it's difficult to set forth a better strategy. What exactly is a "pua" any way?

In any interaction with anybody, it's a good idea to think about the person sitting in front of you. What does he/she want? What does he/she need? What does he/she fear? What does he/she want to avoid? What is he/she willing to give up easily? What will you need to "fight" for? Any sort of deal typically involves a 'trade-off'. What are you willing to give/lose for the things you'd like to gain?

In this particular situation, how important was it to tell her that you're an 'aspiring pua'? Was it that important to you to "TELL HER" these things? Isn't enough to share your conquests with a bunch of immature guys in this forum?

@ El Zilcho Thanks mate, i never thought i would be where i am today! - If i can do it, hell; anyone can!

@ blown away, as you said mate... saying straight off your a pua is a big no no.
I dont understand the objection of not saying so if i may ask?
- haha dont worry mate, i dont want this to going into a relationship, therefore i keep things on a light hearted basis. Note taken though.


- Yea i probably am lol.
However im happy to be the sheep while i learn and get better, get some sex on the side. When ive mastered myself, then ill be the wolf!

Ah The wise Kasabi, i always sit at the edge of my seat to what you have to say!
- Hasn't even crossed my mind. An awesome insight.

Hmm.. Pros for her:
-She gets to keep in contact with me. Keeps that kindle of hope of a relationship?
-Get to learn more of what i really am.. since im asking her personal things i guess.
-she obviously see's it as fun.
-Feels more control.. gains leverage over me. (if this became the case and she tried to use it, ill bail instantly, if i can get her. I can get another)
Any other inputs please give!

-Cons for her:
-Demoralises her in the fact she isnt the only one ill be seeing? (i dont think this is the case, why would she agree to it?)
-cant think of any others. Curse my small mind!

I dont really know what the trade off is here.. ill have a sleep on it and get back to you.
Not important at all, i didnt actually say i was to her.
Shes my "Guru" (lol) as we've labelled it.
I don't feel the need to boast or justify to anyone, my field reports are mainly for recollection, review at a later date, for me to learn from with input from you guys. Also, for others to learn.
The only person i need to prove to is myself Kasabi. Everyone else can go take a hike

EDIT:
- after re-reading my posts.. It does appear i am boasting. F*ck it. I was a little.. (why do you always have to be right kasabi!)

Thanks to all for your comments

Regards,

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