Hello PUA's.

My question is the same as in subject:

I've met a lot of people by using MM (just saw the reality show and for god's sake it works). I use the same openers as in the show and act friendly and cocky.

The thing is, sometimes i forget the routine...what to say right after an opener. Mystery says that right after opening a set you should roll off but i dont know this term quite yet. Could you explain it to me, please? any examples would be great.

Plus, when should i start asking personal questions so i can actually start knowing the person?

Do you have any routines you follow? share them !

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That's a post I'm still in the process of writing with about 4 and a half years worth of my research. Check it out. I think you will find some valuable info in there.

I have taken a look at that thread yet you write some superficial things in there. And then I don't mean superficial in the sense that "one should not have a logical conversation with a girl before sleeping with her." (this is adding to the decay of our civilization rather than contesting it) In fact if men no longer demand of their mates that they exhibit some ability of reflection and reasoning, then it means they lower their standards. From this follows that the women rise in value and the men lower in value, because it teaches them that even if they are dumb fucks men are still gonna massively desire them just because they look pretty. Whereas in the Enlightenment age intellectual people were revered and the women, who were not as educated or even as able to make use of their rational faculties, felt honoured to win the favour of the men.

Also you said "don't obsess about being the best at something, such as the best engineer - your genes merely made you to survive and replicate." What you are saying here is that all the purposes we invent for ourselves, such as being a great scientist, are illusions, because at the end of the day the universe is a cold and uncaring whole of colliding particles. Evolution is the sum of what tends to survive the collisions. The Nietzsche thesis.

This vision of life you spread leads to procreation for the sake of procreation, and worse - existence for the sake of survival. This is not living in the true sense, this is filling your days with routine crap. Sex is a satisfying aspect of life yet if ones whole life turns around inseminating a girl, you are ruled by your instincts. The greatness of Man comes into existence there were we master our instincts. The people who aspire to their callings, to be great engineers, great generals, great artists, they are the ones who build civilization. The parasites just make use of what those great spirits have created until it is used up. Parasites are of low value, and thus uninteresting mates whereas those exemplaries are of high value. Your way of reasoning is procreation for the sake of procreation and existence for the sake of existence. Then there will be no selection in quality, everything will end up as one gray mass, and the excellent qualities of man which make life interesting and civilization thrive, will be extinguished.

Truth is that we are genetically equipped to be good at something, and bad at something else. So we should seek to arrange our lives in accordance with that which we do best. A healthy society encourages me to find a purpose for my talent that matches with the needs of society. This will breed excellence and efficiency for my society, so that it can rise as a civilization. My perseverance will polish my qualities so that the women can see them shine in all their glory, and will unconsciously desire to bequeath these genetic qualities into their children. In an unhealthy society, people care about empty appearances (such as talking a girl into bed in a bar in a conversation based upon totally nothing).

Yes. One day, we are all going to die. We are all going to end up in the same place. Dead. And your "accomplishments" will mean nothing besides what you have left behind for your offspring. You are the product of your parents. Money and accomplishments can not be taken to the grave with you.

What I am saying is live the life that you want. There is no such thing as a "true calling." Human beings place such a great value on their own lives when we are merely just another warm body to walk the earth. The quality of your life is the quality that you create. Nobody is "destined" for shit. That sounds like some religious nonsense.

Try to find something interesting about her or some common ground. If you can't talk to girls like they're normal people then maybe you should start there. Holding conversation is a basic communication skill. If you have that skill with women you can manipulate the conversation to go in certain directions.

Walk before you run.

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The particles that comprise us today, will one day occupy the heavens as stars. Father time, father to us all, will see it all dust, then castles, then dust again. Nietzsche's Ewige Wiederkehr des Gleichen. Given an infinite amount of time, every entity will be reassembled. But what does this mean? This mean that whatever we do, will be repeated at some point. Infinitely. So when you do it, make sure that you do it with your full heart aligned behind it. Don't do half hearted shit, telling yourself "It doesn't matter, we will all die in the end. Everything I can leave behind will vanish as the earth is swallowed up by the sun." Know that the vastness of time and space will recreate every moment of your life infinitely. This is determinism, which to you might sound like religious nonsense. Every moment of your life is bound to occur again. Thus, live wholeheartedly, bring out the fullness of your potential, don't be a rough diamond but, through concentration and effort, polish yourself into a shining gem!

As you say, your mother and father make you, and thus we enter the world with specific potential. Of course there is the element of nurture, too, of upbringing, yet what we are naturally good at, or suitable for, is already largely laid out in this potential. It is different per person. One day we will all shine as unconscious stars in the firmament, yet through self-polishing we can shine in this life, too.

Your talking about "we are just warm bodies so try to have some fun before you die" brings up the image of a bunch of old farts sitting in a lukewarm cafeteria listening to a worn jukebox. Surely their existences could be more miserable, but they sure as hell aren't living their lives to the fullest. This mentality brings everything down to the lowest common defeatist denominator. "Let's just fuck and have an orgasm because that's the one enjoyable thing our life gave us." so we find ourselves in an MTV culture based on American sitcoms and corny romance novel lies. That's what I mean by gray mass. The memes of mediocrity overtaking society. Resulting in low quality public discourse, low quality expectations from life, low quality people to interact with.

I'm talking about quality of life, rather than the quantity approach you define as: "Mans purpose is reproduction”. Quality of life we find when engaging ourselves with art, science, literature, philosophy . . . Man is often ruled by inertia, and therefore we often don't bother to go through the pain and effort required to elevate ourselves. For instance, I could learn to play a complicated game that makes me intelligent and gives me pleasure and improves my self-esteem . . . But because you feel too tired to read the manual, because you are afraid to lose before you can get good, you sit down in the cafeteria and listen to the jukebox. Your nihilistic reasoning stops us from elevating ourselves. The voice in your head telling you that nothing you do matters because you will die anyway, and that even the statues your children erect to you will crumble. The deepest pains of grief, the heights of elevation when the events of our lives resound with our spirits, the peak we feel when we experience a stroke of genius . . . At the end of the day, we can say, when we live our lives to the fullest, that we lived through all of them, both pain and joy, and explored the vast richness that lies in the human faculties.

This is excellent advice. I find that just making myself remember that whomever I am talking to may be just as nervous as I am increases my confidence level. Try sharing a secret, even make one up about someone you see. "Nah I was only kidding, I don't really know that guy", tell a slightly embarisng story about yourself, even make something up. keep it small and funny. If you are relaxed and confident they will laugh with you, not at you. Ask their opinion on something, everybody loves that one. Its so much easier when you can get them in on a little mini "conspiracy " with you. Now, one on one, you to the set, or set to set, you guys are all on the same team for that brief moment. This is the goal of "opening" You don't have to have routines or set patterns but it helps to have a few basic options in the can ready to go so it seems natural. You may even need to do a few more mini openers to engage the entire set. I am finding that what feels like a freeze out on a raw opener is often just a little bit of award/ shy on THEIR part. In this case just stay relaxed and try to get them talking.

I don't really have any scripted stuff. One thing that helps me if I really feel like I need a canned routine is to tell an interesting story about something that really happened. That way it doesn't matter how many different times you use it for an opener. If its true thers no lies to get caught on, and you will be more confident. How many times have you listened to a friend or family member tell you the same old story?

Just modify it for your audience. If you are talking to a girl, you could play up the feelings angle "I bet someone as intuitive /caring/upbeat/insert personality trait u noticed here as you would feel the same way I did about xxxxxxxthingthathappend" sounds like total bs,and it kind of is, but you are establishing a shared feeling or opinion on something. This builds rapport with complete strangers.

You can use it to DHV or AMOG by twisting it back on them "I felt the same way when xxxx happened to me, but then I thought about it and realized that the big bad wolf only dressed up as grandma because he was cold an lonely, awww" again, total bs, and on some level they will all know it, but this stuff works just the same. You don't have to be the driving force of the interaction the whole time, you just have to control the frame, set the spin,