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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:38 am 
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hey im just wondering if anybody knows how to use nlp and if they find it usefull or just a load of bullshit. it just seems pretty powerfull in "the game" and i havn't really seen much talked about it in this forum


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I would say yes, I just bought "Neuro-linguistic Programming for Dummies" from the book store and it makes you think a lot differently then you probably use to. I will say that down the road some of the skills learned will come in useful, not just for pick-up but for life in general.


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This is what I posted in the thread for the NLP introduction manual by xfman in the PMZ.
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how well does nlp work? i mean if it worked really well wouldnt advertisers use it? or maybe they just dont know about it yet? i dunno... i'll read this and try some stuff out.
Advertisers do use NLP. So do you, you just don't know it yet. NLP isn't a trick or a routine, NLP is the way that visual, auditory and kinesthetic (touch) stimulis affect people, with the focus being on speech mostly, but utilizing all 3 and to a minor degree the other 2 senses taste and smell. Learning NLP is just a way to be a master of how your outputs affect other people and being able to read their outputs in order to better understand them and in turn modify your outputs to further achieve the results that you desire.

NLP is defnitely something that you should spend effort learning if you desire to be not only a good PUA, but a more effective person in social or business settings. I recommend starting with Introducing NLP by Joseph O'Connor and John Seymour.

Don't be fooled into thinking that you need to use specific patterns and routines in order to utilize NLP, because the difference between saying "anyways" and "after all" can make a huge difference in how someone interprets your message and that is the point of NLP, to learn how to make people interpret what you say the way you mean it (because most of the time they don't if you don't know how to deliver your message properly) and so that you can truly understand what they are saying, in the subtext as well as the main text.

Hopefully that explains a little more about NLP to those of you that aren't yet aware of it's power. Remember though, the gun analogy that was mentioned above is quite apt, because it is how you use it that determines whether it is good or evil.

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It's worth it. Use NLP to help you with your inner game first.

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I've used NLP to rid people of fullblow diagnosed phobia's, in under an hour... where medication, and years of therapy had failed.

NLP is exceptionally powerfull, and even adapting small part here and there into your inner and outer game, it will have a drastic effect.


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I've used NLP to rid people of fullblow diagnosed phobia's, in under an hour... where medication, and years of therapy had failed.

NLP is exceptionally powerfull, and even adapting small part here and there into your inner and outer game, it will have a drastic effect.
I'm gonna try to completely remove my fear of heights and if that works, then we'll try it on creepy crawly things (ya fuck off, I'm afraid of bugs! Choo gotta problem wit dat? lol). If I see you first though, might have to get you to do it for me, always works better when another person does it.

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It should work for you on yourself, the biggest thing is getting enough pain and pleasure associations to create that MUST change feeling. Should change is nice... but will only work maybe 1-2% of the time. The MUST change now thats what you need to create... that works a ridiculously high % of the time.


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It should work for you on yourself, the biggest thing is getting enough pain and pleasure associations to create that MUST change feeling. Should change is nice... but will only work maybe 1-2% of the time. The MUST change now thats what you need to create... that works a ridiculously high % of the time.
So when thinking about the past state that I want to alter, I need to make it a really strong feeling of discomfort and not just focus on the resources that I require to make it not like that? The stronger I can make both feelings, the better?

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Correct, you want strong pain associated to not changing, and strong pleasure associated with changing, thats really step 2 in the standard 6 step process.

At that point you want to be feeling pain about the ways this, action/fear/phobia/etc... is negatively effecting your life, and how it can hurt you more and more and more if you allow it to continue ruling you.

During step two we should go from a feeling of displeasure towards the phobia... to a state of near desperation for change, willing to do whatever it takes to remove this horrible pain creating pattern from your life!

Step three is where we begin the actual destruction of the neuro-pathways linking the phobia/pattern/etc... in your mind. Etc...


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hmmm. i do have a fear of needles

by the way... can i use this stuff in college essays so the grader has no choice but to give me an a? this sounds borderline evil...

but i like it :twisted:

this leads me to the next question... what is a good book or video i should get as a beginner to dive into this stuff? i just downloaded some jeffries stuff but it was all inner game confidence stuff that i already dont really have a problem with


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hmmm. i do have a fear of needles

by the way... can i use this stuff in college essays so the grader has no choice but to give me an a? this sounds borderline evil...

but i like it :twisted:

this leads me to the next question... what is a good book or video i should get as a beginner to dive into this stuff? i just downloaded some jeffries stuff but it was all inner game confidence stuff that i already dont really have a problem with
NLP can make you a more effective writer and help you phrase things in ways that make people want to agree with you.

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It can make your conversations more seductive. I like to use it before sex.

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