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JSmooth
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 Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: FR #12 In the Field- Rough Night! |
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Alright, I went to work today "Black Friday" I got home took a nap. Listen to some of the Mystery Method, got pumped! Went out downtown. I arrived early, probably too early. My wings couldn't come so I was out alone for the first time in a while, which made me a little nervous.
It was cold as heck at about 40 degrees. I'm walking down the main street and I spot some guys peddling their cd's, hey it's Nashville! I talk to them for a while to be social cause it's right outside the club. I go inside, walk up to coach check. It's dead, so I ask the coach check hired gun, "Is it too early or too cold?" We talk for about 5 minutes just mainly fluff talk.
I check the 3rd floor which is usually the busiest and almost no one is there. I go to the roof where there is usually a live band and where the smokers must go. I walk out there, and I spot this 4 set by the rail looking at the river. I'm making my approach, and a HB8 walks up to me and asks me if I'm the bartender. (The roof bar is closed because there is no band playing, it's just open to smokers.) I say, "What makes you think that?" She says because of your shirt. (Silk, maroon button down) She touches it, so out comes "Hands off the merchandise, this shit ain't for free!" Her friends HB7 burnette and a guy are in tow. She's tipsy to say the least. She touches me again, I say you're going to run up a tab you can't pay! I then tell her friends you can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere. She asks my name. 3rd IOI. I intro myself, and start talking to the obstacles. Mostly fluff talk. I neg her a few more times. We move to the corner of the roof to smoke. I use question game, and a few of my DHV routines. I get her myspace URL. We go back to "our" friends. They decide to take her home since she's drunk.
I go back to the 2nd floor near the coat check. Still dead mostly, I order a Red Bull and open the hired gun bartender HB9 Blonde for fun. We fluff talk for a while. Then I go to the 3rd floor. It's a little busier but still to dang early. I spot a HB7 and HB10. I walk past and run my blindfold opener on them, over the shoulder. The 10 listens then says, "I wasn't born yesterday. I may be young but I wasn't born yesterday!" I say excuse me, and say to my obstacle, "Is she always like this?" Then she asks, "How many girls have you used that on?" I said, "Just you all, but I see your No spring chicken." Then I made a really AFC comment. "What are you drinking anyways?" HB-"Sex on the beach." I'm stunned and shaken for what to say. I managed to say to the obstacle, "I hope your driving, have a good one!" I eject, and am mutter "FUCK" under my breath.
I go to the bathroom which is close by because I'm shaken and trying to regroup. I go back out, and don't really see any other sets that aren't dancing. I check the 2nd floor again, but it's dead still. I get my coat and get out. That 10 totally ruined me man. I had it going and was rolling, but she put me in my place. I should've had something better to say, and should have kept going. Oh well, I have a date setup for Sunday from FR#11.
What should I have responded with? |
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alex_hitchens
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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hey man nice post, good work with the HB8..as for the 10 its a tough one..
first of all your sticking point here is disarming her bitch shield...
first up dont insult her, thats the standard AFC response to a HB's bitch shield...a PUA isnt affected by anything a HB says..and besides an insult wont bother them in the slightest and wont help your cause either. I'm thinking keep up the negging an HB10 will need about 3 up front negs to lower her from her pedastal..tell her that her nose wiggles when she speaks 
| Quote: | | Then she asks, "How many girls have you used that on?" I said, "Just you all, but I see your No spring chicken." |
perhaps you would have been better off with a back turn? a neg hit, or perhaps talk to her friend ignoring her and that last question..then disarm her with something like "You have a nice act but somewhere in there, is a little girl who just wants to be held and appreciated for who she is." ahaha ouch
just remember that the reason these girls are so bitchy is because they get offered dick every 10 seconds, and this is their automatic response its nothing personal..the only way u can turn off auto pilot is through your responses...ones different to the usual AFC..ones that challenge her.
im sure you know a lot of this anyway but it helps me get it in my brain when i type it out! good luck man![/quote] |
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FreeLife
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "How many girls have you used that on?" |
"You are the 5123th... this evening". That would be my response. Then I would have said "get this" to the obstacle and run a routine and demonstrate value to the entire set. This would hopefully intrigue the HB10 and when she started talking again I would have false disqualified with a neg.
Best of luck. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I walk past and run my blindfold opener on them, over the shoulder. The 10 listens then says, "I wasn't born yesterday. I may be young but I wasn't born yesterday!" I say excuse me, and say to my obstacle, "Is she always like this?" Then she asks, "How many girls have you used that on?" I said, "Just you all, but I see your No spring chicken." Then I made a really AFC comment. "What are you drinking anyways?" HB-"Sex on the beach." I'm stunned and shaken for what to say. I managed to say to the obstacle, "I hope your driving, have a good one!" I eject, and am mutter "FUCK" under my breath. |
see the thing is, now and days EVERYTHING gets caught as a "pick up line" if you're not a typical AFC. an AFC with no game will typically ask to buy them a drink or say something like "hi my name is john".
opinion openers are generally meant to be under the radar in terms of picking up women. you need to be friendly but genuine. if you're acting alpha when you say it, sometimes you come off as too confident/cocky therefore deemed as a player or a fake. i personally don't like opinion openers all that much anymore, but then again i'm really young (20) and it works great so i do still keep them in my game, but i typically save questions for building rapport/comfort or DHVing myself.
alex_hitchens (nice name by the way, loved the movie Hitch haha) is right about the way to approach it. the way I would have done it was something like this:
HB: "I wasn't born yesterday. I may be young but I wasn't born yesterday!"
PUA: you know what, to tell you the truth i can care less what you think about me. i'm really just out here to have fun and liven things up, so far things are great. i'm just out here meeting and getting to know lots of great/interesting people. then every now and then i run into people who think that every guy is out there to get in their pants. do you think most guys who approach you are just out there to get your number/sleep with you?
HB: blah blah yea
PUA: wow, pretty conceded. that's interesting to know though. (then change the subject and maybe DHV yourself.... remember to be unaffected by any of her statements)
she might shit test you again though if you put her on the spot like that. she might say:
HB: actually i just think that you are trying to use some cheesy line to pick us up or something
(she's basically just repeating herself, so you need to pass this shit test. there's a number of ways you can do it. be cocky/funny, change the topic again, etc...)
PUA: first of all, that was a real question... you didnt have to respond if you didnt want to. secondly, i'd rather be the guy who is friendly and open to talking to people without buying them a drink. i see so many guys now and days who buy a girl a drink in hopes that she'll talk to them... but those guys get used and tossed away... it's really bad for their self-esteem don't you think?
(that whole thing is basically a DHV)
it's probably not the best way to go but I've seen some videos of mystery passing shit tests and I was amazed at the different tactics that he used. I actually got a lot of my stuff from him without thinking about it. what I like to do is basically change the subject or reframe topics to whereever I want it to go. so in that case change the topic to another question for them to answer. it's a very clever way to avoid the topic for a while. you may get more shit tests but if you pass them all you're basically in. especially if you throw in some negs and DHV yourself by being a nice guy they misunderstood from the beginning...
other things you could have said were maybe:
HB: "I bet you use this on all the girls"
PUA: *cocky/funny attitude* "yea the other day I picked up paris hilton, is it really not working for you guys? *laugh/smile*
PUA: actually you know what, it wasn't paris hilton, she's too slutty. i picked up.... hmmmmm... that girl from small ville! she's cute. do you guys watch that show?
(or maybe you could say "so i took paris hilton home to meet my parents, man was she nice. doesn't she seem like a very nice girl to take home to meet the parents? better than those innocent catholic school girls across the street, those girls are trouble *smile/laugh*")
that's another clever way to change the subject/avoid the question without lying. that's the main concept behind it. i see mystery, style, etc... do it all the time.
the real trouble i think you had was your inner game when you felt like she "put you in your place". you should try to ignore those emotions/feelings as they happen so you can come up with better things to say. you did ok by trying to change the subject (when you said "what are you drinking anyway" but you probably felt too shocked to think about what to say next, or even be prepared)
it would have been A LOT different if you were pumped up and the set was going really well... then when she says "sex on the beach" you might go into autopilot PUA mode and say something like "was that suppose to be a question? because i'm not that easy *smile*" or even as simple as "hmmm i wonder what the back story behind that drink is, i bet some creepy bartender who works at the beach was mixing drinks one day and got some random girl drunk off her ass. then you could probably guess what happened, yup... they did it! hardcore on the beach in front of everyone! that'd be crazy haha."
I'm a big fan of saying random things and making up stories that probably would never happen. sometimes it looks try hard (because the look i get on their face makes it look like i'm stupid or something haha, but i always redeem myself if that happens) other times it makes me stand out from the rest of the crowd and they really enjoy my company...
hmmm... well there's what I think. good luck. hope to see a field report #13 sometime soon =).. |
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JSmooth
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Thanks Guys |
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Thanks Guys! Next time I hang with my wing, I am going to practice him trying to shoot me down like that, so I can get quicker on the responses. I've done so well, with little rejection outside of some IOD's but nothing verbal like that. I should have know going up against a 10. Next time I go after a 10 I'm using a neg opener!
I like what you said casual about "Hey, I'm just out here meeting great people and having a good time because I can. Do you think every nice guy that talks to you is trying to get into your pants?" I just thought of this but I could have said, "you know good thing I'm gay!"
Oh well, I got knocked down the key is getting back up again!  |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| you know jsmooth, those are tough situations. C&F is probably the best solution. Don't really have a particular line, but I guess practice makes perfect |
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JSmooth
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| I guess they called it "Black Friday" for a reason but I wasn't getting anywhere. I was being blown out and I wasn't following the 3 second rule like I should have. I was pretty AFC outside of actually talking to people. I didn't actually get the URL or #. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| wow... so what's making you be so honest about your field reports now? |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Time of a change in my inner programming. I was shown the light, and it's time to go down the tunnel! |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| You were shown the light?! Is it Divine Intervention or Karma?? LOL!! |
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JSmooth
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| Toots McGee wrote: | | You were shown the light?! Is it Divine Intervention or Karma?? LOL!! |
LOL, I think it was a high speed train!!! |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahh.... One of those? Swift kick in the ass or bitch slapped?? Or "C" all of the above! LOL!!! |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Toots McGee wrote: | | Ahh.... One of those? Swift kick in the ass or bitch slapped?? Or "C" all of the above! LOL!!! |
ALL THE ABOVE! |
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| LOL!! That's rough, dude! What happened? Was it that bad?! LOL! But sometimes "all of the above" is a good thing! |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Who am I helping by bullshitting my results, right? Some good friends helped me notice some things that I had been doing. Through their advice and great perception the helped me change. No real pain, just some mental adjusting. |
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