Hey guys,
Been away from the forum for a couple of months as got into a relationships, but back on it now and wanted to get your thoughts on a recent night out.
Friday I was out with a friend of mine I sarge with (CB), mates from work and a couple of lads from the forum. We ended up at a ski themed party in London. Great vibe, not bad music, some fun activities and a selection of snowboarding girls, mostly 7-8's.
CB and I had a good night, and opened around 12-15 sets with varying degrees of success, and certainly plenty of experience gained. I think you learn a lot about how open a person is in the first moments of opening. For instance one girl, a blonde 8.5 stepped on CB's foot at the start of the night, so was an easy open to take the piss out of her - her sense of humour shone through straight away and although she has a bf, we've been in contact since to arrange a night out with more of her skiing buddies.
On the other hand at the bar I mentioned a girls prominent tattoo, "Nice tattoo," then I went back to ordering a drink. She looked at me, "Is that it?" I'm was playing with the cat and the string theory (i.e. Don't make it easy by giving too much attention). "Pardon?" I say.
"Was that all your chat?"
I laugh, "Yeah that was it see you later," And me and CB turn to leave, then she grabbed me, and says sorry. She's an 8.5 too, very sexy, but after this brief exchange I sense she isn't for me and head off. I'd be interested if you guys experience the same in the first few moments of opening.
But heres the sticking point that I really want to get some opinions on: during the night both CB and I closed with girls we both liked. Result. However throughout the rest of the night to avoid shitting on our hard work with these girls we avoided opening sets if they were in close proximity, as we both intended to see these girls again. CB said it perfectly simply, "I dont want her to see me opening other girls." Have you guys experienced this before? Maybe opening other sets would actually increase our attraction and social proof? Maybe it would devalue the attention and time we had with the girls we liked? Let me know your thoughts.
Either way, its good to be back!

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Wednesday was supposed to be a quiet one. A debrief with Snow on Friday's Ski Party and an intro to Oz-Var in a bar in Leicester Square. When I arrived the two them were seated and talking, we got a round of drinks and Oz introduced himself and reason for gaming: he really embraces being single and loves the London game, although he did mention how good New York was so I made a note to visit there at some point should my game ever warrant international visits. Interestingly the three of us all have different goals in the game, but despite this there was a sense of camaraderie among us.

Snow previously shared a sales process with me that I thought Oz should hear, called the Pipeline: in sales you'll have targets who are potentials, those who are further down the sales process are interested, and at the end of the pipeline are the sales that are closing - the idea being that the pipeline is populated and moving forward. The result, you are always closing. Its a great mentality, and one I'm taking onboard.
As the night went on the drinks flowed and a group of HB7-8.5s entered. It was inevitable really, this wasn't going to be a quiet one. Snow found out where they were off too, we finished the drinks, opened a couple sets then headed.

By the end of the night we had joined the bar crawl and opened every set in the group, mostly American grads. It was a similar experience to the ski party (see above) - having opened up so many sets half way through the night I was being introduced to the few girls I hadn't met, which was added social proof and higher value. It proves once the ball is rolling the momentum carries through the whole night.

I had a few notable sets with some good take away's:

Swimmer - HB8.5 - Snow spotted her at the start of the night, tall, tanned and blonde. Seeming a quiet girl, I'd opened her friend by telling them to stop staring at my friend John Legend, aka Snow. I had some small chit chat with Swimmer, and made a game of guessing where in the US she was from. I like to play games, it makes it more fun for me and seems to get the target engaged, and offers up opportunities to tease. Later in the night I simply walk past her, take her and and walk to the dance floor - she follows, and as we we start dancing tells me, "I have a boyfriend".
Previously Snow had told me a story about a friend of his getting with a girl in a relationship that he is now married to - i.e. don't deny her the opportunity to get to know me even if she is taken. " That's fine, I'm not going to kiss you, " I tell her and keep dancing all the same. 2 minutes later she is slapping my ass and I'm whispering into her hear how naughty she is. No k close, but had I got her away from her mates I could have escalated more.

Platinum - Blonde, HB 8.5 - part of Swimmer's group, so was an easy open. We spoke at the bar for a while, when Platinum revealed she was going to France after the UK (they were all travelling around Europe), so I proceeded to teach her French phrases, and then show her how the French kiss, first on her cheek, then before I escalated further I asked if she was single...no, and he was only a few metres away oblivious to our chat. Rather than sneak off I thought I'd see how it would pan out to talk to him. I'm reading How to Win Friends and Influence People so thought I'd try out some tactics, "I've just been chatting to your girlfriend,"
"Go for it dude," He slurred.
We flirted later at another bar, but nothing noteworthy

Waitress - Another blonde, HB7.5. As she was walking through the club I tried a subtle new neg, "Hey, I'll get 2 sambuccas,"
"Whaaaat??" I've got her full attention already
"A couple of sambuccas please,"
"I'm not a waitress,"
And we get talking from there. Later in the night I use games like thumb war and arm wrestling to get physical and get her on her own. By this point I've number closed, but she lives in the US so its more to set the tone for a k-close. I try Snow's recommendation of the Vasily k-close;
"Do you find me attractive?"
"Yeah,"
"Do you have a long term boyfriend,"
"Yeah,"
"Do you - oh..." Another boyfriend. Gambler has some boyfriend destroyers that I'll have to update on before the next group of Americans come along. Before I leave later I touch my cheek, "Goodnight kiss," and she obliges.

So a couple of number closes, nothing more, but some experience in the field with a couple of great lads who are committed to pursuing game. Together we build momentum, egging each other on to the point that we had opened everyone who came our way and escalated nicely. And Oz's debut with us ended in a k-close.

One thing did come out, when talking to some of the girls a couple of them commented, "your friend said I have wrinkles," or, "your friend said I look better in this picture," - clearly their begging had hit home. I prefer to tease rather than outright neg, like pretending the Thumb War girl was a waitress for instamce, as I've had experiences of really pissing girls off with more bold begs. I'd be interested to hear your use of negging, and where the 'line' is.

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I'd have continued open other sets, mainly for two reasons:
1) to not put her on a pedestal: guys, they are not the only girls in the world!! Stop thinking that they are special or "the one" cause they aren't!
2) to get social proof: let's say that these girls saw you hitting on other girls. What happens? They see that you can have any girl you want without effort, that they aren't that special after all... They would do anything to be special in your eyes. I never found a girl that didn't text me back because i opened other girls in a club. You are all there to meet new people, right?
I also like more to tease than negs, but I have to say that negs can be really powerful...




Anyway, I really enjoyed reading this field report and I think you are pretty talented from what I see. Since when did you start sarging?
I hope my answer will help you with your future game!

Hey ITALUX,

Great to hear from you, and thanks for the advice. I think they are some really great points about continuing to open after closing someone, for two reasons; From my limited research into social dynamics people want something if it is desirable and scarce, and by continuing to open other attractive women that is demonstrated implicitly; and secondly because I personally get emotionally invested or attached fairly quickly, so by focusing on new opportunities hopefully I'll shed this. I recently reread the game, and there was a great phrase in there along the lines of, 'to succeed you have to be willing to risk her,' which resonated.

Thanks for your feedback ITALUX, much appreciated. I've been sarging since January, but took a couple of months out after getting into a brief relationship. Its a lot of fun, and now I have met a couple of guys on the forum who know what they are doing and are up for a laugh (Snow, who has a great thread, and Oz-Var) its even more enjoyable. We have a night out tomorrow so I'll be sure to update soon.

I'd be interested to hear of examples of when negs gave worked well for you guys. As I said I usually tease through a game, its an area that I think could use some development.

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Just try not to put them on a pedestal and focus on other girls too. That's what I do to get over it, but i have to say that it wasn't easy at the start...
Try with this book. It really opened my mind on many things: "Get in her mind" by Nick Andrews & Taylor Ryan

I'm afraid I can't help you with that because I almost never use them... Try and ask in "general questions"
You're welcome! Always a pleasure to help someone!

Should you open other sets in front of previously opened set?

In short...HELL YEAH!

No one know's who you know on a night out. That set you are opening could be work colleagues, old school fiends, the clique you rolled with that night. Outsiders looking in, don't know.

If you entertaining and engaging the set in the right way, this is all outsiders will see. And trust me, they'll want in!

Social proof in my eyes is key in getting girls outside of your bracket.

Just think logically. Is a girl going to want to get with a guy she see's just hanging with his male friends or is she gonna want the guy who has all the HB's flirting with him...wanting him. The answer is simple.

However there is a flipside to this. You don't want to be an approach monkey. Opening loads of girls continuously who aren't hooking. This in short is a DLV.

So in summary, done right opening many sets that love your interaction is nothing short of the ideal sitch.

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Then you'll be successful!

Field reports:
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll check out Get In Her Mind soon. And Snow I agree, it really does increase social proof.

So here is a rundown of a first date from last week:

Following on from the ski party, see the first post here, I was texting a HB8 I kiss closed, Lips. During the evening we spent about 40 mins together having some good banter. By the time I approached her in the evening I had a couple of number closes so the momentum was rolling. She was stood alone so I simply asked, "Are you queuing for something ," and we got talking.

We met up last week for a drink and had a good time. There was a delay between meeting at the club and the date, so we'd been texting a fair amount. Reading the forum this week this is an area I'll look to change: it seems calls rather than text will up the conversion rate of numbers to dates. Fortunately Lips was keen. I've watched a bit of Gambler, and thought I'd follow his advice: Lips mentioned a couple of times that she was looking forward to meeting up again or keen to see me. In a past life I would have reciprocated this, however rather than give her the power of knowing that I liked her, I simply ignored these comments when replying.

The date was good. I was hanging from the night before with Snow and Oz when we went on a bar crawl, but had managed to drown my hangover with gallons of water throughout the day. We met at a bar, and I put to the test my current book, How to Win Friends and Influence People. Much of this book is at odds with what I know of say Mystery Method, and rather than demonstrate ones own value and put down the target, encourages you to show a genuine interest in the other and talk about subjects they are passionate about. It seems to me that The Game gave some good insight into opening, but to create a connection How to Win Friends spoke a lot of sense. And it seemed to work. We had a great laugh, I found out a lot about her and got plenty of IOIs in return: the amount of playing with hair was noticeable. As the night went on she made comments like , "that is what first attracted me to you," and, "you'll have to cook that for me."

I did make a rookie error though, I paid for the meal we had. I know, I know its lame, but a made a point to say she can pay for the next one. As we made our way to the station we kissed, no special kiss close routine, just fairly natural.

She is a lot of fun, so we will see how it progresses.

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Its the second Wednesday night Oz, Snow and I are meeting up. One of the guys suggests a place near Oxford Street. As its a Wednesday its pretty quiet; they are outside enjoying a pint. Oz has a tall glass of gin and tonic, wearing his blue suit talking through his work, Snow has a pint of beer in hand, wearing a T-shirt and leather jacket. I get a round in. After getting back to the bar the boys had opened a two set of Polish girls, both 6's. They are fairly dull, but Oz goes right out and tells one of them they are boring. Its hilarious. The cheek this guy. I'm not sure if its supposed to be a neg or he is just fucking around with them, but it makes me laugh. The stories Oz pulls out throughout the night continue to make me chuckle, hopefully he'll start recording his nights out on the forum (Snow on the other hand religiously updates his - I admire the dedication).

We spend the next hour going from bar to bar looking for targets, but its a ghost town this evening. Standing outside one pub we see a couple of ladies walk in, one with very colourful tights, blonde. In we go. We locate them in the bar, 6 ladies around a table. I can't muck around and over-think this, I just head over, "Any idea how to get to Soho from here," and we're off. I engage them, have some banter and Oz heads over soon. The HB with the tights asks me, "Is this what you do, approach girls to try to pick them up," she's almost gaming me.
"Yeah," I look at her, "How's it going?"
She smiles, then I turn to resume talking to the group. I discover we work for the same company which helps build rapport (its a big company so no worries I'll see them in my daily role). At the start I got the sense they didn't welcome our company, but soon Oz, Snow and myself are holding court. I talk a cute girl with glasses through a attributes game and escalate by comparing perfumes of a couple of the girls. I try to number, "Oh I can't." And on that note we make our exit.

On the way through Soho I stop a 3 set in the street, "Any idea where the best gay bar is?"
"Erm, are you guys gay?!" This asking for directions seems to be doing the job. A bit of teasing, but no closing (I think two of them might have been lesbians).

More bars, that are fairly empty, making the night feel like a really grind. I get talking to a girl who works behind the bar; Italian looking, with amazing eyes. I ask if she is wearing contact lenses. She isn't, so I ask if I can have her eyes, which she laughs at and says, "Maybe in another life."
As I'm going I try to number close - she has a boyfriend. So I try something I've thought about (I think this from the film Before Sunset),
"Thing is what if on the tube tonight you say to yourself, you know what I wish I gave JD my number, and you end up regretting it" she ponders this.
"Maybe not tonight, but in the future." She seems like a thinker, and very attractive, but rather than beg for a number close I leave. Hopefully this line will help to convert more girls with a bf objection. We will see.
The night has been slow, we are all considering heading home. I suggest a final bar that might be busy. It is. The bouncers let us in for free.

The music is blasting and the dance floor is heaving. If I wasn't gaming I'd forget about sets and hit the dance floor, instead we take position at the bar. Both Oz and Snow open sets each, but I'm finding the environment tricky. I had no issue opening the 6 set earlier, but how do I hope a 2 set dancing if they can't hear me?

Gambler talks about pulling out some dodgy dance moves to make women laugh on the dance floor or 'open without an opener': for instance waving or pulling out your tongue (which Oz cracks out at every opportunity, and rather successfully). As one girl walks past I smile and say hi. She does the same as she heads to the bar. In my peripheral vision I can see her talking to her friend and looking in my direction. I turn to the bar and open with a simple, "Hi." I'm glad I didn't try anything too witty as this girl is Brazilian and her English isn't great. She has sharp but striking features, pale skin and black hair. We talk and she turns fully to face me. Its a challenge making myself understood, but I number close and as I leave ask for a goodnight kiss as I point to my cheek, she obliges. Then the opposite cheek. Then I point to my lips. She looks at them for a moment, I take this lack of resistance as the all clear and we kiss.

Oz has left by this point, and soon Snow and I leave too. By the time I'm at the station the Brazilian has already text me. I'm rather surprised by the result. It was a tough night and couldn't use any verbal game, perhaps my confidence is just clear now that I'm sarging more frequently. That's why it is great being out with Snow and Oz. We push each other on, discuss tactics and stand on each others' shoulders to achieve. Its not Band of Brothers just yet, but maybe we will get there. I'm keen to meet a few more London guys too, to see how their styles differ.

There was one final set. Snow and I part ways at the station. As the train comes in 3 women stand beside me, they look fairly drunk. "Shotgun," I say as the train pulls in, one of them laughs, and jumps on first, "Too slow," she says to me. We get talking, I guess where one of them is from and am right. I mention I went surfing there last weekend. Then one of the friends runs her finger down my shirt, she is from Lithuania and the most drunk of the 3, and says,
"He would fuck anyone, he is so confident," her friends look shocked, and I'm not sure what to say, so I smile and resume my conversation. No close as I'm off in 2 stops, but a metaphorical pat on the back that my confidence is clear to others.

Its a whole different game the next morning, when I'm on the tube to work and make eye contact with an attractive blonde but don't even considering approaching. Do you guys have the same issue? Its fine when it's the evening and the momentum is on, but going in cold in the day, on your own is another challenge. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

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On Thursday night the plan was to meet with the Brazilian I k-closed yesterday, but she is flying to Norway for the weekend so we rearrange. The result is a night in Thursday night and the day off Friday.

I meet up with CB for lunch, my friend from the ski party. He discusses a female friend of his he likes, problems is he has slept with a few of his mates and he has known her for a long time. I'm trying to convince him to go there otherwise he might regret it in months to come. Its then that it dawns on me that in the few weeks I've been focusing on game my mindset is starting to change. Like CB, previously I viewed women in a Romantic (capital R) light; a sense of mystery and unknown veiled over them as I wondered, "is The One out there?" But through a couple of weeks of game and sarging (granted no f-close and very few dates) that sense of Romanticism has disapeared. Instead it's more akin to a series of bets, experiments and practises wearing dresses and heels.

CB and I head out shopping during the day. I'm after a new cologne, and a sales assistant helps me out, she has a middle eastern look and is fairly young. We have lots of eye contact and good rapport so I tease her a bit and go to n-close. Boy friend objection, so I put my regret routine into play again,
"I have a boyfriend,"
"OK cool. I wouldn't want you to go home on the train tonight and think I wish I gave JD my number and regret it,"
Its a no go, but I get a great reaction as she blushes. The rejection at this point isn't a big deal - had I not asked I would have been kicking myself. Do you guys ever get this feeling: that if you don't attempt to open, game or n/k-close you feel like you've let yourself down? Its a great incentive to keep plugging away, if a little concerning how quickly this gets into your head. CB advises that in sales and services it's their job to show IOIs so they make a sale. He is right, but its all practise right?

The Chelsea Flower Show is on this week and there is a event set up near the Kings Road that we have a look at. Behind the counter is a blonde with pearl earrings wearing a red blanket as a robe. I ask her about the stall, then the competition. I mentioned in a previous post I don't tend to neg, and rather tease, however I accidentally stumbled upon a neg that might work in the future,
"There is a competition between the shops for the best display. That one got the gold." She points at the shop
"Are you the head judge?"
"No, I'm not actually,"
In a round about way I made her admit she wasn't as important as I suggested. I'd be interested to hear if you guys have tried something similar before and what you think of it?
I say we are out this eve and she should join us and I get a n-close. As we leave CB says I was so direct. I guess I was. But rather get a n-close after 4 minutes than 40 I think. Of course proof is in the pudding. And when I text later to see if she is out...no reply. I'm sure I should have called I stead: no risk no reward right.

That was it for the day game. I will update on the evening soon, but first here is a real sticking point:
The more I go out AA is fading, banter, kino and routines are getting refined slowly, and I'm number closing around 2 times a night. But these numbers aren't converting to dates. Any direction on how to improve this would be much appreciated. Maybe I need to push to k-close so they are more invested? Maybe I'm not building a real desire for them to get in contact - perhaps some sales or marketing research would help. As ever let me know your thoughts.

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Couldn't have said it better. Some of my best nights have been with multiple #-closes and some of my worst nights have been on the 'approach monkey' side of things. One other word - don't go for multiple make-outs if you want to see these girls again. Social proof is great, #-closing in front of other girls is fine, but make-outs tend to turn all but the most "open" girls off, as they'll get judgmental about the girl you're making out with - and then judgmental about you.

Also, it's May. Really that cold in England to be having snowboard-themed parties???

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Thanks Royalty - makes perfect sense to me. And its not in England that people are skiing, rather they go off to the Alps until the end of the season (April I guess), and have themselves themed parties like the one above. Although I imagine the parties in the Alps are somewhat better.

As I said, after the short amount of day game with CB, which wasn't very prosperous, we went out for a couple of hours that evening: literally two hours between 10 and 12 to see if anyone would bite.

So far my experience has been that the first set is the toughest, thoughts of who do I open and how are ever present. Once that's over the night is on and I'm out of my head. On the street I open a 3 set asking for directions, but that is all I get. CB and I enter a bar. I check my phone: no battery. There is a three set with a short, cute brunette doing some pretty awful dancing - think swaying side to side a bit too frantically,
"Sorry to interrupt your amazing dancing but do you have a charger?'
"She's a professional dancer." I turn to my left and looking up at me is a pretty blonde with big blue eyes and a great smile.
Me and Blue Eyes start talking. We laugh about the dancing, discuss how they accidentally went into a lesbian club, the ups and downs of KFC, and that we both do Muay Thai, and 30 minutes have flown by with Blue Eyes. CB wants to leave, his chat with the other girls (there are two of them - I barely noticed) wasn't as successful it seems. I number close - CB tells me that her friend were shocked at this, not sure why, maybe I'll find out in the future.

We leave, I need to get this girl out of my head. I open a couple of sets outside bars, asking opinions on this bar or directions. Some chat, some laugher, but nothing interesting. I pass a table with a cute blonde smoking,
"Sorry to interrupt your cigarette, but what bars are good tonight,"
"I don't know I'm just visiting," she looks up at me and she is beautiful, blonde, with a couple of piercings and from Sweden. Her friend comes out, also Swedish and blonde, but certainly not as striking as Piercing.
"We are heading to find a bar, why don't we text you if we find somewhere good,"
"We'll come with you," And off we go to a bar. I put a time restraint on, as we actually have to get the last train. Entering a bar the waitress seats us with a great smile that I reciprocate. The two Swedes, CB and I talk. I'm sitting with Piercing and tease her about whatever comes to mind all the while escalating kino. This is one of the first instances of setting up a date straight away and it works really well.

I pop off to the toilet, going to the waitress (actually the manager) with the nice smile, to ask where it is before I say,
"Listen, do you fancy a drink sometime?"
"Sure." And it's that easy. I guess the social proof of our two blondes and the small amount of eye contact and kino I had when she has served us made it possible. Or just maybe there was some natural attraction there.

I'm back at the table, and try to k-close pointing to both cheeks. No go, but there is a spark in Piercing's eye that makes me think she wants to. Maybe if I had her isolated. So I set up a date for the next day. Piercing doesn't have a UK number so I take her friend's, text her then and there with my name (as I did a few minutes ago with the waitress).

We leave. 6 opens and 3 number closes in a couple of hours. I'm happy with that, but I'm happier with meeting both Blue Eyes and Piercings. Usually I'll meet one girl I actually fancy, if any. Tonight I n-closed two.

Is this just luck? Did the day game help to warm me up? Or maybe all this practise is starting to work. Of course we have to see how it develops...*spoiler alert*...I'll update soon on this.

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agree on the fact that the first set opened is always the hardest. If for you it is not natural to be social with everyone all the time, then you have to wear that social mask by night and obviously there is a latency of adaptation. That's probably what happens when you are in the train in the morning sitting next to a HB and can't even open your mouth; because that's not natural for you yet. It is not for me either. I used to be very intro, since last november (that I met a girl I really wanted and failed because oneitis), I read the game and stuff and I'm learning so much on myself and my life. My best friend for ten years is a natural, and I never realised what he was doing to get all these girls while I was not. Reading about this game made me retrospective the last ten years with his adventures and from being the witness of his natural game and now with that awareness thanks to the book, I changed myself in someone much more confident (too much sometimes, but it works). I'm not superman, but coworkers and my friends think I am. I open girls in the morning in the bus now, I don't even need their number, I just need to do it to keep the momentum last forever, I get free coffees from cute baristas and it gives me that confidence I need to tell to my boss "you're wrong, I'm right, we're doing my way". It's like getting drunk and keep drinking, fall asleep and having a beer for breakfast; it sounds horrible, but it helps the hangover.

Hackney you speak a lot a sense. Maybe it is about exposure. The first times of night game was scary but after a while you to love it. I hear what you say about making it an integral part of your life and keeping the momentum flowing. Thanks for the insight.

And now for Friday night:

My father once said something along the lines of, "When people are young they want to destroy things, but when they grow-up they want to create." For the first time in my life I appreciated his sentiment as I arrived at the bar where the two Sweedish girls from the night before planned to meet me: Piercing and her friend. This was a bar I've headed to a couple of times during sarging expeditions. Behind the bar was the Italian with the bf objection, we shared a smile. As I ordered a drink I get another barmaid's name, red hair, great smile. And then Piercing and her friend walked in. In the space of 24 hours I'd picked up these girls and set up a date. Complete strangers. And hot complete strangers at that. Before Game I wouldn't have ever imagined it. Now I am creating. And its giving me one hell of a buzz.

CB bailed, to be fair he had work, but said he might be out later. So I invite Snow to join us. He accepts - there is a great sense of can-do with the guys I've met on the forum, a readiness to take on challenges. Guess that is what brings us here.

I chat and tease the girls and try out a routine bases around rings (I'll write about it once I've tried it a bit more) until Snow arrives and we head for the restaurant. He does a great job of locking in the friend while I engage Piercing: her blue eyes and blonde hair are as eye catching as her top. We sit at the restaurant bar while our table is prepped. There is kino and teasing and eye contact and the sexual tension increases between the two of us as she blushes at something I say hinting at the two of us getting together.

We are seated and our waitress comes over, very cute, brown curly hair in a bun and a shy demeanour. We chat about the restaurant, not in an openly flirty way, just friendly. I ask her name and where she is from while the others discuss the menu.

Later in the night Snow and the two girls head out for a smoke. I don't smoke so sit alone. The waitress comes back, we talk some more, then I ask if she wants a drink sometime. She does. I take her number - although I have to stop her from writing it on the menu that is at the table. To help conversion rates I've been texting my name then and there so they have the option to text back should they want - and she does later that evening. Like last night at the other bar I was able to quickly n-close someone who was serving me and my date. I think it is the immediate social proof that helps, and makes more attractive. I talked through this with Oz the next day, he said it also works on women's jealousy: they see attractive girls on a date and wish they were being treated like that, I offer her the chance to usurp them and they take the bait. Well its working whatever it is. What do you guys think? Does being with a group of HB help convert other HB? Or is it just that confidence boost we need to risk more?

As Snow comes back to the table he clocks the waitress, "I'm going to number close her,"
"I already have, sorry mate."
He smiles, there are no hard feelings.

As the night progresses I suggest Piercing goes for a smoke with me, "I'll watch,"
As she smokes she complains she is cold. I warm up her hand for her. I always find if I can hold a girl's hand the k-close is so much more natural. She finishes her cigarette, is about to go in but I continue to lean against thek-closeand offer my hand.
She obliges, raising her eyebrows, "Oh, you want to stay...'
" Yeah," I pull her towards me and we kiss.
I'm adverse to using a k-close routine if I am on a date, it just doesn't seem natural. Maybe that is my downfall that I don't try it out. I worry it will sound like a line and devalue our time together. But it does make that bit harder. What do you guys think? Any advice on this would be great.

Throughout the night we connect more and kiss more. Piercing tells me I'm not being mean anymore, I guess she means the teasing. Although she also admits she likes it. She is leaving for Sweden the next morning, so I plant the seed of her coming back which she seems keen on as she tells me, "Tonight has been my favourite night in England," with a beaming smile. And as 1pm hits she gets on the bus. We text throughout the night and I think to myself if she lived her I would certainly go out with her - Oz and Snow wind me up that I will get married within 6 months of sarging. But when she is this nice and attractive can you blame me?

Snow and I hit a club along with a few of my friends who are out in town. Snow opens a couple of Dutch girls, his is a tall blonde. I take the her friend, a tall black girl with frizzy hair and good dress sense. Within seconds I sense huge amounts of resistance. This type of girl, no, woman, would have scared the shit of out me a month the ago. Now the game is on. I turn my body language away, go funny cocky and jump on her attitude with negs. Then I turn it around and show passion in a shared interest and admiration for her work. Then I neg again. She looks me straight in the eye, her head to one side, "I don't know if I like this," after one neg, "but I kind of do."
I take her to the dance floor, then palm her off to CB who has joined us at the end of the night.

As the club closes and we seek a taxi we pass a group of Spaniards, with a stand out HB8.5 - brown hair, thin, great tan.
"This is where the party is." I said as I pass.
She laughs and I game briefly. My friends say we need to get the taxi, so I try to number close.
"I don't give my number out, but I work in this restaurant,"
Perhaps I should have tried the regret routine but the taxi is waiting and I'm still high from Piercing so the night ends as I contemplate how much more satisfying it is to create than destroy.

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HB9 on the tube, 8 on the street, 2 set at pret. For the past few weeks daylight has made these targets appear out-of-reach. Or maybe the lack of wings, alcohol or lets me honest, confidence. As Hackney mentioned in his post above - introducing sarging to the day would help the continual development I'm on, and introduce a lot of new opportunities: and as a cheesy film once stated, "Great moments come from great opportunities." So Snow, Oz and I agree to meet for our first day game.

I meet Oz in central London. We catch up and Oz opens a couple of Sweedish girls, both very easy to look at and talk to. We number close, saying they should come out this evening. Oz says he still gets approach anxiety, and hey I do for the first few sets, but he's all over the Sweedish girls.

Snow joins us. Its great to be with these boys. If Game is my drug, my dealers have arrived: let's go get high. Snow opens a two set, Oz joins. I'm still nervous about day game, it seems so obvious that we are trying to pick up women. I do a recon of the area and open an Italian looking two set asking for directions. But my lack of wing gets to me and I'm off shortly. "Fuck this, I can do this," I give myself a kick up the arse as Oz joins me. A cute two set sit on a patch of grass, I approach and open. We start talking and Oz joins. We are there for five minutes, but no number close. I recall Style talking about going to the targets level helps to make them feel at ease, note to self to sit briefly next time.

Snow returns and straight away he is on it again, running up to two girls in the street and n-closing. Good man. He reveals that is moral has taken a hit as his pipeline is empty. This is a man with nothing to lose, and it looks like the risks are paying off.

We hit Pret (a sandwich bar) for liquids. A HB9 enters, middle eastern, slim, dark-dark hair. She is in the queue behind me. I'm about to open when she jumps the queue,
"Wooooo,"
She looks around, "Oh I'm sorry,"
I let her go and order a tea. As I wait I reapproach, "So this is what you do, jump the queue, huh?" And I'm in. I quickly build rapport and we walk out together. Both hands are full so no kino, and she is with her family this evening so I don't try to n-close. In retrospect I should have suggested meeting up in the week or teased her with something like, "Right, where are we going now," or, "OK I can meet your family." Next time.

Outside of Pret a two-set. I open and start talking about good bars. They look young, but know their stuff about clubs. I'm about to try to get a number when an older woman joins them - a mum or an aunt I guess. I feel like a naughty school boy now, caught in the act. But its all cool. They head off, and I think its better to let them go than try to n-close a daughter with her mum. Have you guys had this before? I guess mums and daughters are more like friends in a lot of relationships , so it's more a confidence barrier I was facing. Let me know your thoughts.

We walk some more and pick up Snow from another set. I approach a two set, "Where is Trafalgar Square,"
"You're in it," the girls turn to face me.
"I know, I just wanted to say hi,"
We talk and I neg them for their middle-class behaviour which they take well. Snow joins and we chat. They aren't out tonight so I don't go for the n-close. Writing this now, if this was night game I would have been all over it, or I hope so at least. Well its all a process I guess.

Snow opens a two-set and I join. One girl is Russian so I crack out what phrases I know. They ask us how we know each other....Snow looks so shady..."We met at a bar crawl'" I chime in. Better than, "We met through this online community for picking up women," I think. I number close the Russian and we head off.

I approach a two-set both HB9. I walk head on to them, and ask, "Do you guys speak English,"
The hottest one looks at me, "No,"
"OK," And I leave.
So let's dissect this together. Firstly I headed straight for them, next time I'll take the side of the least attractive. Then my opener was lame, easy to reject and not interesting. Next time I'll try something less like a pick up line. Thirdly I gave no fight, how about, "yes you do, you just bloody spoke it," or, "oh good, neither do I." It seems that the hotter the girl the more refined and more natural the game has to me, would you agree with that?
As the afternoon wore on we parted ways, and I crossed the river for a date I'd set up with Blue Eyes from a few posts ago. She arrives, her eyes blue-er than I recall, platinum blonde hair, and great fashion sense. This girl can dress. Now this was interesting, she says she was late as some guy tapped her on the shoulder and tried to pick her up. Reading The Game I remember strips of LA getting taken over by PUAs. It certainly doesn't seem London is at that stage, but what are the chances.

Blue Eyes and I talk, build kino and connect. Her personality is magnetic and she has an amazing energy. We play a few games and have great fun, and then end up walking London till the early hours and hitting a late night restaurant. I make the rookie error of paying - I have to get out of this habit. By this point I am exhausted. I've been sarging all weekend and its passed midnight now. As we wait for a taxi I think about kissing her. But she has a cold sore. I weigh it up. I like her, but not enough to catch a cold sore.

But I still want to kiss her. I can't do it. Not because of the cold sore, but because I don't know how. As I said I avoid k-close routines on dates as it doesn't feel natural to me. I worry that if I pull out, "Do you find me attractive...what's your excuse for not kissing me right now,' she will think I'm an arsehole after working hard to build connection throughout the night. So what do I do? What works for you on dates? Do you find that k-closing when you have just met is easier than on a date?

Would really appreciate the feedback.

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So another date last night, this time with Swimmer's sister, the American grad I met a few weeks ago during our first night sarging session with Oz. So I grab a drink with American at a cool bar, play a few games, connect, tease, kino, but again no k-close. My moral takes a hit. I love the immediate satisfaction of success when sarging: every open, n-close and k-close is a win. But the times when it doesn't happen is a bitter pill to swallow.

Great HB8 with an amazing ass this morning on the tube...didn't approach - fail. I think more day game with Snow and Oz would work a treat to get over this. Maybe I'm trying to run before I can walk, maybe its too early in the morning, or maybe these are just excuses. I think it was Mystery who said your emotions will try to fuck you up. Yep, that sounds about right. How have you guys been able to make that transition to gaming at night, to gaming at every opportunity? Maybe it is like Hackney said, it may feel uncomfortable but I have to force myselTr@veller's Or as I read in one of Tr@veller's posts, perhaps I am putting soooo much pressure on myself to n-close every 7, 8 and 9 I see that its never going to be fun and easy.

I watched a video on YouTube from Street Attraction. This PUA Richard approached a couple of models with a radio blasting out tunes in one hand. Just shouted excuse me and he was in. Then he k closes a girl in a coffee shop. This is what I want: balls of steel to be able to make any approach and not give a shit. Day or night. HB7 or HB10. Check out the video here: http://youtu.be/acYyI18fkqA

So one order of a pair of steel balls. While we wait for those let's review the past month. I've gone from getting dumped at Easter and feeling like a sack of shit with no options, to getting back into the game, a pipeline that is populating, k closes and dates with HB8's, and a couple of wings whom not only who suit my style, but are great lads.

Looks like on Thursday some new guys will be with us - looking forward to learning from the boi's!

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