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Has anyone done one? What sort of things are taught? is their field work? thanks guys

Went to the Super Summit (mentioned above) and was impressed so off the back of that signed up for some "Momentum Training" allegedly aimed at bootcamp "graduates" Did 5 hours with Gambler only. And tbh thought it was fairly weak. So cancelled the rest of it. It was just sitting in a conference room. No actual practice at all, just "identifying" your goals and other psuedo management advice

It was offered at a "bargain" price of £150 ($300) per month subscription for over a year £1800/$3600 and the (false) promise that it may result in a "graduation" which meant in turn graduates would become future PUA Training instructors. ppfftt

I thought to myself it was bollocks, you cannot pay anyone to "motivate" you externally- at some point you need that internal determination that drives you.

Also on Amazon the reviews for gamblers book are very over the top positive and there are a few reviews that slate the book and also question the validity of the OTT positive comments.

I can appreciate NLP Ben is a good guy, but £135 per hour?, one of the top NLP practitioners in Harley street only charges £70 per hour and he has been on TV shows such as Faking It for channel 4.

All the trainers are great sales men and women and will be able to make you feel like there giving you something and changing your life when you meet them or listen to there seminars, but after the seminars and one to one sessions you can be left with very little.

PUA training is a business and like all business is there to make as much profit as possible, they could not care less if a student gets results or not.

I am guessing that if Gambler reads this post he will make sure it is flooded with OTT fake positive comments, don’t get me wrong I would love to hear a genuine positive comment from a guy who has lived the pua training dream and gone from AFC to PUA in the short time gambler says you can.

RR what has your journey to being a PUA been like ? are you getting good results now?

He wont post. He doesn't post anywhere as he never has anything helpful to add. Just advertising some product or course or seminar. His pic may be at the top of the page but he has 6 posts on this forum! Too busy "working" Which isn't actually training people, just networking the clubs in London so he can be seen. Then go on GM-fucking-TV with Lorraine Kelly or be in a film as himself (09 release) or get his picture taken with Rachel Stevens. As for his Facebook profile! 4500+ kiss arses who wait feverishly for him to put up more pics of (sometimes very drunk) girls he's not sleeping with.

Author:	Jaybot [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Gambler Boocamp
Has anyone done one? What sort of things are taught? is their field work? thanks guys

Author:	Fame2Advancement [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:19 am ]
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Quote: Has anyone done one? What sort of things are taught? is their field work? thanks guys Hi there I did the PUA Training Open Day by Gambler (aka the PUA Training Super Summit) in February 2008, London, United Kingdom. What was great about it was it cost £100 for 10 hours worth of seminar, when a Bootcamp costs about £600 for a weekend course (accommodation not included) for about 20 hours of seminar. Being my first "live" organised event, I asked a fellow disgruntled conference goer why he was frowning. He replied "Basically the bootcamp was exactly the same as this (PUA Training Super Summit)......except with newbies asking questions to pad out the weekend" The programme (best to my memory was) Gambler- Introduction of how he discovered Game, his transformation and of course what guys need to do to get better. i.e. Limiting Beliefs, discovering Game (although you can read about this in The Natural Art of Seduction and the first hour was a re-cap of his book word for word). Beckster- The Ginger bloke from PUATraining. A bit too "geezerish" for my liking and no real PUA credentials or recognition to his name. He was funny if nothing else. Too much "touchy feely" kino tactics for my liking. Adam Lyons- enough said! In fact book this guy One to One next time he's in the UK! It costs the same as the bootcamp but is so much more worth it. Keeping in contact with a few seminar goers I was inundated with e-mails after being coached by him asking "What is his secret, what is his secret etc etc"- after he discussed "Entourage Game". My reply- email him! Reflex- a former student turned PUA instructor (may have left), who teaches guys daygame. Very friendly bloke BUT not the sort of guy who gets laid. Even I knew that before I met this guy. Kezia- Female Instructor and weakest of the lot if Im being honest. Yeah she is "f*cking hot" to quote some seminar goers, BUT she had trouble answering the simplest of questions. i.e. Q- "What do you do if you're out alone and you see a Hot girl; with an Ugly Chick that cockblocks you?" Wrong Answer from Kezia- "Girls don't cockblock guys thats a myth" (cue boos and "yeah whatevers" from audience) "NLP Guy"- Not listed on site (again may have left). He trains guys in NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) BUT I can guarantee as a registered NLP student myself "using NLP in seduction" is a no no and not only is it NOT recognised by any NLP bodies- it could get you banned from practicing an/or being recognised by NLP register. "Model Guy"- a professional fashion model for (whoever)- this guy was employed by Gambler as allegedly first impressions count. I disagree- I've seen many immaculate girls/women dating scruffy boyfriends. I work with 5 HB9s,10s and they even said to me for a bloke fashion is NOT important for a bloke. A female friend said a) the (model guy) looks gay on PUA website and b) he being a fashion advertisement will preach fashion labels (the link between fashion and models isn't required within PUA). "Confidence Guy"- Tony Robbins Junior. A wannabe motivational coach who every 5 minutes got everyone to dance to loud music to improe their pysicology. Crap, Crap and double Crap. Even more bizarre some guys employ this guy One to One- yikes! Close- a roundup of the days lessons. Overall- I'd say its worth it- BUT wait for the Super Summits (the next one will be Feb 09) and each time they're getting cheaper (the November 08 one costed only £60 but I didn't go)

Author:	Jaybot [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:04 pm ]
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Ideal cheers for the heads up, I'll hit the super summit then the money I saved can go on other bits and pieces I have wanted to grab

Author:	PUAR [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:04 pm ]
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I have met up with a few of the PUA training, trainers for one to one training: Ollie: Got me buying clothes that did not suit me (Loads of awful skinny fit jeans and tight t-shirts that made me look gay ), and kept trying to stretch out our time so he could earn more money, our session ended after 3 hours and 5 minutes, he charged me for 4 hours! I also attended the February Super summit and noticed a lot of guys wearing the clothes Ollie suggested that I buy. (I took almost all of the clothes back that he suggested I buy), don’t get me wrong 30 minutes to an hour might have been just about justifiable, but you could just go to a clothes store and ask a female shop assistant for fashion advise and practice pick up at the same time. Or you could just walk up and down Oxford Street and notice what looks fashionable. Gambler: His home study course is amazing and I am going to be the first to buy his DVD program, when I met him in real life for a 2 hour one to one his attitude stank, he couldn’t care less and looked very board when I was talking to him, we went out of his flat and he did a couple of half hearted approach’s but certainly did not get any number closes or even get a decent conversation going. Reflex: he is a great guy, but he doesn’t really push you at all, and I have only seen him get one email close in about 12 hours of one to one sessions with him. Richard M: The guy is very nasty, DO NOT get a one to one with him he will rip you apart. He was very rude to me, made a fool of me when I approached girls, for example I would approach and then he would shout at me in front of the girl about how bad I was at not keeping the conversation going. After 40 minutes he walked off when I was in the middle of talking to him, Gambler has now sacked the guy as I have since found out a lot of guys had complained about Richard M. Conclusion: PUA Trainings products and blogs are fantastic. There live events are no where near the level that the say they are, You have to remember there is a lot of money to be made from this game, they have the ultimate sales pitch “we can get you hot girls” what guy could resist that sales pitch?, there all very good sales men and women and they would all probably sell there own grandmother to earn some money. I think if you just read the material from the pua training home study course, go out and do some daygame, meet up with some cool guys and go out sarging you could get good, but you got to get out there and do it. I would love to hear others experiences of the services/events of PUATraining, positive or negative

Author:	Jaybot [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:42 pm ]
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sweet sounds like I will just get out in the field and use spare money to hangout with different folks around the country. I am starting to notice you can pay loads for a one on one with a "pro" or you can just meet people that are good at what they do and learn from them.

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Author:	RR [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:05 am ]
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I did a bootcamp with them in Feb 2007. I did a review here. london-bootcamps-vt2207.html?highlight=gambler At the time I was very new to PU. So I felt (and still do to a degree) that it was a great weekend and I would of had no qualms about recommending them. HOWEVER. the following is with the benefit of hindsight, and becoming more aware of the whole PU scene. The day after the BC, I got the email saying "We can do you a deal on a 1on1" Thought at the time, fair enough. And didn't go throught with it. But I got these fairly regularly. And of course, you are always getting the constant bombardment to buy another product, as AFCAdam said on his webinar a while back. Do these products work, Yes. Do you need them? NO!. They all with that special line about "Register early" or "Price wil increase soon" And it makes me annoyed, that they don't follow up their students progress. Just try and sell you more crap. They have/had 2 seperate "private customer only" forums. But they are DEAD, no feedback from the trainers. And eventually all the users stopped posting. As its better to be on any number of other more active forums! Few months later Gambler released his eBook. Signed up for that and was dis-appointed. (False advertising. 6 confernece calls became 5) Also bought his paperback book and was even more dis-appointed. Incoherent, and not even useful to a complete newbie. Went to the Super Summit (mentioned above) and was impressed so off the back of that signed up for some "Momentum Training" allegedly aimed at bootcamp "graduates" Did 5 hours with Gambler only. And tbh thought it was fairly weak. So cancelled the rest of it. It was just sitting in a conference room. No actual practice at all, just "identifying" your goals and other psuedo management advice. PUATraining started out as a great company with some great instructors. But as I began to see just after the last "training"in 08. A lot of the experience guys moved elsewhere / retired from teaching. Gambler then hired a lot of guys with (in the greatest respect) less than adequate Game. It's easy to say "Go talk to her" but not to listen in and give constructive feedback. A lot of their trainers are now former students. Who are presumably cheaper to employ. But maybe lacking in the experience their predecessors enjoyed. Around this time I heard someone question Gamblers game/training style. At first I thought it was just sour grapes from competitors, but looking back I've never seen him open a single set. And looking back at the bootcamp he was difficult to find, and didn't actually talk to me once we'd left the original venue. The other trainers were brilliant, always approachable and helpful. Hell, the helper girls gave me more feedback than Gambler. Something that I've heard a few times regarding him on BC since I took mine. I'm not even sure his style is "natural" there's a lot of Mystery method rejigged to sound different. And some of his great "opinion openers" are too long winded or ridiculous to stand up. "Is David Bowie Hot?" springs to mind. What is this the 80s? If any of you have seen the Pussy/Boob Kino demo he's done. Its just sleezy! A lot of his stuff just wouldn't work in a noisy nightclub. Other trainers? I've not trained with Kezia but I've heard her described as "a bitter washed up ex stripper with a failed singing career!" Harsh, but Ive seen her live and she certainly does come across that way. She told a guy with a GF and a few female friends that he needed her 1on1 to help him talk to girls. And at the february summit, demolished a guy who was a complete newbie (not helpful) and was rude to the audience. Alistair is their "approach coach" he was on my BC for a few hours. I didn't actually talk to him, but I heard from other students that he likes to AMOG you in front of your target. That's really going to help teh shyer guys out there. They get the confidence to go for it and then get blown out by "their wing!" The aforementioned Richard Mac was featured on a YouTube video for their approach DVD. (Yet ANOTHER product!) And out of some 10-20 apparent N closes. I'll be amazed if he got a day 2 with any of them. (can't find the video it was quite long 8 mins or so IIRC) If he can't find decent approaches to use for a DVD, why not? Again, I've heard he's shite teacher. Amoging the students or just losing patience and leaving! Reading their blog they have a South African guy (Gerry) doing pieces and he doesnt actually know the difference betwen Kino and Body Language. Which is a bit odd. In fact, I think the whole series of YouTube videos he's done are shabby! Which of course, makes me wonder just how good their training is nowadays. I've heard the reports of 1on1s being overcharged and the advice being less than adequate (fashion particularly) That the "Platinum" one week residential course is really just 5 days and sitting in on a bootcamp to fill the time. That coupled with the fact that everytime the media wants to run a piece on PU its his company they are always fairly negative items. (Compare to Jugglers School of Seduction C4 programme for how to do it right!) Makes me not want to recommend them to anybody now. Future? I notice that Beckster has left PUATraining and I believe works elsewhere. he was one of the best there, as was Jabba, Reflex, and Cardenas. In fact the only trainer with a repuation as any good still there is Adam, who as many will know is going to be in the States full time fairly soon. Oh, and Ben the NLP guy who I've met and is A) a good guy and B) knows his subject VERY well, as its his actual profession. Sorry to be so negative. If you have any other questions, fire away or PM if you'd prefer. EDITED TO ADD The advert underneath my post is the one for his 10DVD set with a counter running down to the lauch date. I presume that you wont actually get the DVD'd just links to places to download them. He sent everyone who bought the eBook a "Special christmas present" the other day. Basically he read out the eBook and sent the Mp3 download links to everyone. Hardly new material or even worth doing!

Author:	Fame2Advancement [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:54 pm ]
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Quote: Went to the Super Summit (mentioned above) and was impressed so off the back of that signed up for some "Momentum Training" allegedly aimed at bootcamp "graduates" Did 5 hours with Gambler only. And tbh thought it was fairly weak. So cancelled the rest of it. It was just sitting in a conference room. No actual practice at all, just "identifying" your goals and other psuedo management advice Oh yeah that's right- I remember the "momentum" training offer as well. It was offered at a "bargain" price of £150 ($300) per month subscription for over a year £1800/$3600 and the (false) promise that it may result in a "graduation" which meant in turn graduates would become future PUA Training instructors. ppfftt I thought to myself it was bollocks, you cannot pay anyone to "motivate" you externally- at some point you need that internal determination that drives you.

Author:	RR [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:49 pm ]
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Quote: It was offered at a "bargain" price of £150 ($300) per month subscription for over a year £1800/$3600 and the (false) promise that it may result in a "graduation" which meant in turn graduates would become future PUA Training instructors. ppfftt I thought to myself it was bollocks, you cannot pay anyone to "motivate" you externally- at some point you need that internal determination that drives you. I agree. Ayman who is now one of their trainers was also on the momentum training too. However, he had spent a lot of money with them on vartious 1on1's. Fashion etc. And in the 5 hours I met him, still had massive AA. (not a dig) which given he'd spent all this money yet the PUAT guys hadn't helped him through this was (with hindsight) interesting to me. He's a nice guy. So I hope he's improved. But I always wondered if making him a trainer was to make him feel better about the money he'd spent. Quote: Also on Amazon the reviews for gamblers book are very over the top positive and there are a few reviews that slate the book and also question the validity of the OTT positive comments. When he launched the book there was a competition. i forget what you won but the criteria was to write a good review of the book. Strange that the book hadn't been launched yet several people had alreadt read it and reviewed it. One was his Webmaster Kidtonio and at least one was the receptionist Natalia, who REALLY answered your emails as he was "too busy" Quote: I can appreciate NLP Ben is a good guy, but £135 per hour?, one of the top NLP practitioners in Harley street only charges £70 per hour and he has been on TV shows such as Faking It for channel 4. IIRC Ben lives in Scotland so there would be travel costs involved. Saying that, I didn't know about the Harley Street guy. But I'm not surprised. Maybe Ben gets £70 and PUAT take the other 65! Quote: All the trainers are great sales men and women and will be able to make you feel like there giving you something and changing your life when you meet them or listen to there seminars, but after the seminars and one to one sessions you can be left with very little. PUA training is a business and like all business is there to make as much profit as possible, they could not care less if a student gets results or not. Someone should tell that to the decent instructors out there. Stop caring about your students or posting on forums free information. Do it the PUAT way. Take their money then try and sell them something else. But don't actually demo anything other than marketting savvy! Lets not screw about. EVERY major mPUA puts out free info, or Youtube videos showing them in action. It's good advertising. yet, Gambler doesn't "like to brag about his game" Convienient dont you think! Quote: I am guessing that if Gambler reads this post he will make sure it is flooded with OTT fake positive comments, don’t get me wrong I would love to hear a genuine positive comment from a guy who has lived the pua training dream and gone from AFC to PUA in the short time gambler says you can. He wont post. He doesn't post anywhere as he never has anything helpful to add. Just advertising some product or course or seminar. His pic may be at the top of the page but he has 6 posts on this forum! Too busy "working" Which isn't actually training people, just networking the clubs in London so he can be seen. Then go on GM-fucking-TV with Lorraine Kelly or be in a film as himself (09 release) or get his picture taken with Rachel Stevens. As for his Facebook profile! 4500+ kiss arses who wait feverishly for him to put up more pics of (sometimes very drunk) girls he's not sleeping with. I don't like to be so negative about things, but I really feel like Ive been exploited by this company. (Like many others sadly) As a result I read the forums, and Ive looked at other companies styles and moved towards something that fits me better. (Juggler if you're interested) Quote: RR what has your journey to being a PUA been like ? are you getting good results now? erm. Good(post BC)-Bad-Bad-Bad-Dejection(felt I was wasting money on training)-Bad-(moved social circle) Better-Better.

Author:	Jaybot [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:48 am ]
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man I just realized how truly awful most gurus are at marketing, I opened my hotmail and had the same email. Also I got several special offers from Mystery and David de etc etc for people into self help and starting businesses I would expect them to maybe do a course on marketing or pick up books. There are very few USPs anymore the only one that springs to mind is Sinn's telephone thing but I think that is because I hadn't seen it before, which most likely means it happened before. Any guru reading this please take some time to work out a marketing strategy, it will improve your sales tenfold. Also I feel the need to big up the guys that offer solid advice for free, due to the simple fact they want to help, it is a rare and beautiful thing. Righty time to pass out may post a FR tomorrow xx

Author:	Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:36 pm ]
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Quote: He wont post. He doesn't post anywhere as he never has anything helpful to add. Just advertising some product or course or seminar. His pic may be at the top of the page but he has 6 posts on this forum! Too busy "working" Which isn't actually training people, just networking the clubs in London so he can be seen. Then go on GM-fucking-TV with Lorraine Kelly or be in a film as himself (09 release) or get his picture taken with Rachel Stevens. As for his Facebook profile! 4500+ kiss arses who wait feverishly for him to put up more pics of (sometimes very drunk) girls he's not sleeping with. I don't think that constitutes as flaming, but you're getting close, RR. Let's keep all this info constructively informative with as little emotional distortion as possible. For the record, Gambler consistently keeps in touch with us mods through a hidden section of the forum that only Site Administrators and Moderators can see. He works very diligently with us to make this forum better for you guys. I took the time to read this entire thread. I've never taken any live programs from PUA Training but I personally don't think you guys are giving Gambler enough credit. The very fact that he keeps this forum completely uncensored and commercially unbiased demonstrates that he doesn't silence any negative comments about his stuff. If that were the case he would have hired new moderators to replace us and he would have told them to delete threads like this. However, I'm still here, as are all the other unpaid moderators of this forum that were here before Gambler bought the site. The man is a proponent for truth and free communication, and I like it. In my most honest of opinions, my impression of PUA Training is that it is really fucking good for newbies. If you are new to pickup, don't let the negative comments scare you off; I think you'll get a lot of value out of their stuff. I can see how a more advanced student wouldn't be satisfied, though. I never really looked into Gambler's stuff myself because I thought his newsletters were pretty basic compared to what I already knew. I considered his stuff "softcore." Then I got hold of ONE of their products: The Approaching Confidence Audio Program. It's a hypnosis track that you can listen to on a regular basis. I was pretty skeptical at first but hopeful... and I think it's great. I know a thing or two about hypnosis and NLP; I'm going to become a certified NLP practitioner in 2009, and I can tell that the program was masterfully crafted to bring forth results. The English accent kinda throws me off a little at first since I'm American, but that doesn't get in the way of anything. All in all, I think Gambler's company provides great services, especially for newbies, but if you want "hardcore" training, you gotta come to America. The PUA instructors in this country appear to have way more experience and depth. Some of these guys can make you feel more skillful just by talking to you and looking at you a certain way. Jeffy from RSD, for instance (also known as jlaix), publicly keeps a running tally on how many of his bootcamp students get laid during the actual weekend bootcamp. It's an impressive ratio. You can look it up on RSD Nation. Believe me, I've met some of these guys. They aren't as newbie-friendly, but they're good ol' made-in-USA. Newbies, go to Gambler. Advanced people, come to the best country in the world. I may be speaking too soon as I have not checked out any other of Gambler's stuff other than that audio CD, but that's my 2 cents.

Author:	PUAR [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:50 pm ]
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An interesting view Chief I did not know Gambler owned this site, that would explain the large adverts for his site on here. Please remember that I have praised the products of PUAT on here it’s just there live programs that I have a problem with as other do as well. It is a fact that I have met Gambler and he did a couple of half hearted approaches, It is a fact he has no live pick up videos. The negative stuff that has been said about PUA training is based on customer’s experience of the company and how they have been treated. It would be great to see some more reviews of PUA trainings live events and bootcamps on here, as the more customers reviews there are the better Judgment someone can make about there services.

Author:	Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:05 pm ]
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PUAR, in America we have the saying "The customer is always right." Please feel free to discuss your honest opinions. Let's just not kick up a shitstorm of hate and bad emotions like RR almost did. Don't worry; Gambler's not paying me to make him look good... but my impression of him still remains positive.

Author:	PUAR [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:35 pm ]
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That’s cool Chief I understand and respect your opinion. The fact is both I an RR both live in the UK and both have experienced PUA trainings live events and live training for ourselves and you have not. As I said before I would love to see some more reviews for PUA training, I want this thread to include honest reviews of the services and by that I mean positive or negative as long as there truthful experiences of what happened so that potential customers can read all opinions and make there judgment before spending many hundreds of pounds with the company.

Author:	Jaybot [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:05 pm ]
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yup I would love this section to get a little more use and I still think Gambler is a bit of a legend and replied to me personally twice when I emailed him some questions, which is quite cool as he must be busy. I will also be checking out his dvd box set and posting reviews but kinda drank the money I put aside for a boot camp lol

Author:	Stormy [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:40 pm ]
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About RSD: They do programs everywhere in the world, and a lot of their instructors aren't American. Tyler is Canadian, Ozzie is Spanish, Tim and Alexander are Australian, Alex is British, Christophe is French, and Roxana (Tyler's girlfriend, and an instructor) is Mexican. And Saad is a good ol' down-home Louisiana boy.

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